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posted by [personal profile] rivers_bend at 04:50pm on 19/02/2010 under ,
I have somehow ended up having a conversation about these topics with four different people in the last two days, so I decided it's time for a poll. Plus, POLL! What's not to love? Polls are FUN! I made it so no one can see who says what, so you can answer honestly, with no embarrassment, because I promise not to judge you, no matter what.

I know I used the dreaded radio buttons for some of the questions, but you can just answer with how you most often feel. (and if you're both and artist and a writer, or whatever, and the answers would be totally different, you can pick one medium if you want) It doesn't have to be for every time; I know there will always be outliers, and there is always space in the comments box if you want to explain. I have comments set to screened, but will reply (and thus unscreen) unless you say "keep screened" in your subject line or the comment itself.




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posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 01:52am on 20/02/2010
I LOVE getting comments/feedback from the person a fic is written for. I really enjoy writing fic specifically for people, and knowing that I've tapped into what they like is just the most awesome feeling! I also think it's interesting that the fics I've written for other people often seem to be the ones that are most popular (as determined by comment counts or specificity of comments), and I tend to like them better myself, with very few exceptions. I would imagine that this is because I am often more willing to push the envelope as far as how much angst, how kinky, how schmoopy, how whatever, I'm willing to go if I know it is for another person, where as I am more likely to try to please everyone with my general writing. And since you can't please everyone, I think those fics are probably just less pleasing.

In that way, it's possible that I, too, find comments influencing my writing (though I hadn't considered that). But I do know that even seemingly totally NON-concrit comments have made me a better writer. People gushing "I loved it when..." has made me go back and look at whether I am wording things differently in those places, or in some other way have better writing there (and not just some delicious kink, or Sam with his shirt off), and I've found yes often enough to let that improve my writing generally.
 
posted by [identity profile] blue-soaring.livejournal.com at 01:15am on 20/02/2010
This is fascinating. I'm really interested to see if other people's feelings about our work in general continues to have this mid-to-high level impact as more people fill out the poll.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:45am on 20/02/2010
I'm interested, too! Though as I am so far from a trained poll-maker, I'm not sure how valid the responses are. And also, like, I am a person who likes everything I write for the most part. But the ways I like it are influenced by other people. quite a lot. And I don't think that kind of distinction is even reflected by the questions in this poll. So.

Still! interesting.
 
posted by [identity profile] fromyourashes.livejournal.com at 01:40am on 20/02/2010
Ok, so. Many of those answers didn't apply at all, so I just skipped them, sorry!
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:47am on 20/02/2010
this is the nature of polls! (mine especially, probably, since I do not tend to extra ticky boxes with things like PIE! or JARED! so.)

also. I sent you email. only today, though. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] skyblue-reverie.livejournal.com at 01:45am on 20/02/2010
Hi there! I don't know if I'm one of the people you've talked about this with recently (well, not in the last two days 'cause I haven't talked to you in the last two days) but I know we've talked about this stuff at length, so you're probably not surprised by any of my answers.

I don't know if there's any way to capture this in a poll, but one thing I'm finding is that, as much as I still LOVE comments, the presence or absence of comments isn't quite as much of an emotional roller coaster as it used to be when I first started writing, and I am starting to be able to like/dislike my own fics independently of what other people thought of them. I guess that's progress of a sort?

Also: I miss you! I know we met Tuesday but we didn't get our Thursday hangout so it feels like I haven't seen you in forever, which is silly, but whatever. I don't see you until next Thursday?? DDDD:

*smishes*
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:50am on 20/02/2010
Hello! I did not count you in the four, because it has been far too long since I saw you! D: It's not silly at all, because I feel the same way!

I am probably quite crap at capturing most things in a poll. Polls are hard. But that does sound like progress :D

*hugs*
 
posted by [identity profile] earlofcardigans.livejournal.com at 02:13am on 20/02/2010
I write so much of my stuff for other people, that I don't care about the comments as long as the person I wrote it for enjoys it whether in a comment, in an email to me, in the delicious tag, whatever, as long as they've told me.

Recently, I participated in some anonymous fic exchanges, and I had to determine if my story was well-received by the number of comments garnered, and it made me extremely nervous. I didn't like it.

I also haven't finished anything that is I can post this month and I think those two things are directly related.
Edited Date: 2010-02-20 02:14 am (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 12:07am on 22/02/2010
I know that I tend to feel much more anxious about something if I am reliant only on numbers of comments, as with anon memes. I find myself emailing the story to a friend and badgering them to give me feedback, sometimes. Which I am not necessarily proud of. I'm the same with clothes, though. I have a lot of trouble thinking they are cute (or cute on me) without someone else telling me. Despite how often I try to tell myself it's my opinion that counts.
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posted by [personal profile] zillah975 at 02:22am on 20/02/2010
I don't understand "How much of a role does fandom/character familiarity (to you) play in your opinion about your work?" What does that mean?
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:37am on 20/02/2010
hmmm. reading that back, it actually doesn't make much sense. What I MEANT to say was if you are super familiar with a fandom/character, are your feelings likely to be different than if it's in a new or mostly unfamiliar fandom.
 
posted by [identity profile] memphis86.livejournal.com at 02:30am on 20/02/2010
I found I can't just pick one answer for the 2nd question because my overall feeling is really "It depends". It depends on whether or not I liked what I came out with, whether or not a day away from it has changed my opinion on it. Sometimes when I sleep on a fic my opinion will immediately switch from one side to another, or sometimes not at all. My beta comments I will usually be like 80% in agreement with and 20% ignoring and saying "artistic license" t myself about. It doesn't make me hate or love a fic more, just gives me an outside/objective insight into it which is always needing during the editing process. If I hate the fic but the beta loved it, it doesn't make me love it; and vice versa.

And random sort of thingy on the "I'm ashamed to tell people I don't like my creative output"-question: I dunno if "ashamed" is what I feel? And massively editing and re-phrasing this, I think in the past when I try to say to others that I think I missed the mark, I don't always get straight answers, and I worry people think I am fishing for compliments, when I'm rather fishing for concrit, if that makes sense?
Edited Date: 2010-02-20 03:18 am (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 03:34am on 20/02/2010
It depends is totally a valid response, and should have been an option.

w/r/t ashamed, I was thinking in terms of people not wanting anyone to know they had "low self-esteem". Like a woman I saw on a doc about Body Dimorphic Disorder, who was horrified at the thought of anyone finding out that she thought she was ugly. but what you say TOTALLY makes sense.
 
posted by [identity profile] smallcaps.livejournal.com at 02:41am on 20/02/2010
First box - I generally like the idea of my fic but I'm never satisfied with the execution, if that makes sense.

I don't understand the question about fandom/character familiarity. If I'm not familiar with the fandom or characters I'm not interested in writing about them to start with.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 05:29am on 20/02/2010
that totally makes sense.

I was thinking mostly of like when I first started writing for SPN I was terrified of getting the voices wrong and didn't really like my fic until I had a lot of comments saying it was good. but now that I've written a billionty SPN stories, I feel confident about the voices, so I like it just because I like it, no need for outside confirmation. and I got used to that feeling. Then tried to write some Star Trek fic. eeep! Back to lack of confidence. So it's not that I am randomly picking a show I've never seen and trying to write for it. But that after writing in a fandom for a long time it feels very different than starting out.
 
posted by [identity profile] kelly-girl.livejournal.com at 02:45am on 20/02/2010
What I've wondered for awhile is if other writer's get kind of a 'writer's high?' once they finish a fic and then a slightly less kind of 'high' when they post?

It's like you're nervous but excited and then you get kind of a floaty feeling when you know you're done with a fic. Even before it's off to beta, you know you're done with the majority of it.


Or maybe that's just me?
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 05:37am on 20/02/2010
I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but when I am doing what I call "ice skating" writing, ie, when it is totally flowing along, I do get this feeling I could definitely describe as a "high". When I "finish" a fic I tend to get agitated because I'm not sure if it's really finished, or, more often, because I tend to get a lot of posting anxiety, like am I don't it right? (eg. right time of day, right places to cross post, right day of the week...) I do tend to get a second high when a fic hits whatever my "target" number of comments was. And that feeling is like how I feel when a plane that I am on hits the tarmac and starts taxiing safely. Which is like a relief without having had conscious worry.

I don't actually like that I have this target number of comments in my mind. But I cannot seem to stop myself from doing it.
 
posted by [identity profile] veronamay.livejournal.com at 03:16am on 20/02/2010
Okay, I don't normally admit to this in public, but: I feel awkward about receiving/answering feedback in general. There are days when I really, really want to turn off comments altogether.

On the one hand: feedback is lovely, it's an ego boost, and people like to comment on stuff they've enjoyed. So I leave comments on for those reasons, and because sometimes you can strike up great conversations that way.

On the other hand: I think not responding to feedback is, well, impolite, unless you specifically state somewhere that you don't do it. BUT. When I'm blessed with lots of feedback, I feel obliged to respond to all of it, and this is where the awkwardness comes in. Because it's really difficult to not repeat myself (which I hate doing) when responding, or else trying to think of something interesting to say, and I often end up feeling like an idiot and wondering if anyone really cares whether I acknowledge their feedback or not. And not in a 'my first world writerly problems' way--I don't need to feel popular; I just don't want to be rude!

There was a short period in 2007 when I DID turn off comments, and only accepted feedback via email (particularly for Big Bang). It was something of an experiment, but also mostly because of the above awkwardness. I did observe the feedback I received was ... not "better", but more detailed, and geared more toward points of interest that were also interesting to me as the writer. There was also much less feedback than I would probably have received if I'd left comments on, but this didn't bother me, because of the aforementioned detail/quality of the feedback I did receive. It was of interest in a cynical sense, though.

Bottom line: I like everything I write, because if I didn't like it I wouldn't write it in the first place, let alone post it. My general aim is to write the sort of thing I like to read--which is why I often go back and re-read my fic, even if it involves cringing and eye-rolling and occasionally, pointing and laughing.

... talk about overthinking it. I think I need a beer. And to get back to wrestling with the fic of the moment.
 
I do often wonder how I would feel about comments if I got a significant number more than I do. I think I average about 40-50 unique comments per fic (for SPN), which I do not find at all overwhelming to respond to, because on the whole it takes 2+ days (and often 2+weeks) for that number to come in. And I don't work, so it's rare that I am away from my computer for more than 6 hours or so at a time. I usually try to post in the morning, because, living on the West Coast of the US, that is the time that most people in the world are awake. You folks are getting up soon, the Europeans are having a before-bed read, and these time zones are checking their flists at work. that also means that I can start answering comments within a reasonably short time of posting in most instances, so I rarely have to answer more than 8 or so comments at once. I have about four sets of wording appropriate for responding to a generic "I like this!" comment, so I don't feel like I'm repeating myself, and if the person says anything more than that, I try to comment on it in some way, just to make myself feel like I have something different to say. Sometimes I will use a comment on their icon for the same purpose.

I do sometimes find it exhausting if for some reason or another I have been away from my computer and there are 20 comments to answer at once. So i can totally see how, for the people who get four pages of comments on every fic within a few hours of posting, it seems unimaginably daunting. Especially with a job, or kids, or a partner, or all of the above.

I cannot bear the thought of not answering all my comments. I cannot bear the thought of turning off comments. So I really do not know what I would do if I suddenly became a must-read author.

...Or the kind of author that more people left feedback for. I do often wonder about things like reader:commenter ratios versus straight-up numbers of readers.
 
posted by [identity profile] veronamay.livejournal.com at 06:19am on 20/02/2010
For the record: this is the kind of stuff I love discussing, but rarely get to because there is so much potential for wank. Which is so not the goal, here. Anyway.

Until quite recently I had no idea people had, like, strategies for when to post a fic. I generally tend to post before I go to bed, mostly because that's when I most often have a finished/tweaked fic ready to post. Plus it's nice to wake up to feedback. I don't get to check LJ at work unless I have my netbook and a lunch break, so generally I have a window of 2-3 hours a day to respond (before and after work). It's a little daunting sometimes. Then too, sometimes people leave such awesome feedback I kind of flail around trying to respond appropriately, and that takes time as well. Basically, I want to thank everyone individually for reading without sounding like a robot or an idiot, and that isn't always easy.

Reader:commenter ratios are intriguing. I am very very guilty of being a non-commenter, which is yet another reason I don't worry about comment counts--I figure for every one person commenting, there are at least three who don't. Occasionally, delicious bookmarks and PDF download stats are useful for the curious too, since hit counters are apparently bad taste these days.
 
I love discussing it, too! It's super interesting to me. I've always loved sociology, and all this stuff is fascinating. But yes. people do sometimes choose to wank about it.

Based on some of the fics I've read that do have hit counters, I think for a lot of people, for every one person commenting there are 100 who don't. Or more. for others I think the ratio is a lot lower. And that is something that really fascinates me. But there is no way to study that at all without creating wank and bad feelings.

When I first came to LJ I got involved with a beta who was OBSESSIVE to a truly terrifying degree with marketing her (and as an extension my) fanfic. strict rules about days and times of posting, where/how to crosspost, and re-pimping in her own journal. A lot of it I didn't agree with, because there is a big difference between marketing and pushing yourself on people. But the result is that while I have a straightforward confidence about my skills as a writer (and I think a pretty good idea of where my strengths and weaknesses lie in that regard), I have no confidence at all in my skills as a poster. To the point that if I do not get an "expected" number of comments on a fic, my thought is never that it is not well-written, but that I should have posted a different day, time of day, to different comms. It's kind of insane. (or a lot insane)
 
posted by [identity profile] halfshellvenus.livejournal.com at 03:30am on 20/02/2010
SO many interesting questions here!

I virtually never use a beta, so some of them don't apply.

Others... if I'm struggling with a story and it went somewhere unexpected for me, I have reservations about it. If it's a new fandom, my confidence is MUCH lower.

And sometimes I like things better after I post them. Though I'm still on the fence about the J2 thing I posted this week-- I seriously thought about just burying that locally at my journal, and finally decided that there was an audience for it and put it up on the comms.

And there's the poem thingy I tried to write for [livejournal.com profile] maehrys's birthday, and wound up writing a drabble instead. I kept struggling with the poem and wrangled it out of first person and fixed the final phrasing... and posted it only at my journal. Only to have it get recc'd at a comm, so I don't even freakin' know sometimes.

There have been a few in various fandoms where I do not understand why people go nuts over "that" fic as opposed to some other one I sweated blood over ("Icicle Palace" for Prison Break, and "Bedside Manners" for SPN). But sometimes through the comments I see what's resonating with other people, even if it wasn't clear to me (I probably shouldn't admit that!)

And it's true, my expectations for comments DO depend on the fandom. My first fandoms were Prison Break and SPN, and the readers really spoil you with thoughtful comments and meta. In one of my other, smaller fandoms, most of the comments tend more toward, "Loved it" or "Whee!" That took some getting used to!

As for the "cooking time" for a story... I tend to wait a day or so on longer stories, because I'll re-read and see if the flow/pace are good through to the end and if the conclusion is solid. Sometimes, those last few paragraphs get tweaked for exactly that reason.

Drabbles, on the other hand... some need to wait for exactly that reason, and others I just know are _done_. But all of the pace/flow/finality is much easier to see over that shorter form.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 06:27am on 20/02/2010
But sometimes through the comments I see what's resonating with other people, even if it wasn't clear to me (I probably shouldn't admit that!)

In some ways I feel like even basic comments have made me a better writer in the craft sense, but in a LOT of ways they have made me a better fandom writer. I almost always read a handful (or more) of the comments on other people's fics that I love, and also on fics that I didn't love at all but that have lots of comments, because they are really informative w/r/t the pulse of fandom. And in the same way that you want to market an article to the specific magazine you're hoping to sell to, I want to market fanfic to the fandom I'm writing for. I write because I love writing and need it like breathing, but I write fanfic because I love the audience I have. Both in the sense that I love knowing I have an audience at all (in a way that most of my MFA colleagues do not) but also in the literal sense that I love many of the people who are reading my stories, and making them happy makes me happy. How do I know what makes them happy? comments. Which is to say, totally admit it! :D

I'm definitely with you on the lower confidence with a new fandom, thing. "voice" is very important to me, and I really need to feel like I have it right. Once I have written several fics in a fandom I feel like I've had conversations with the characters, and in the same way that I recognize my mom's voice on the phone, I recognize when I have the character's voice right.

If I get a beta, it is almost physically painful for me to sit on a fic once I've made edits. I am fascinated by people who can say, "Oh, I think I'll post that next week," or whatever. With the Valentine's Day fic I just wrote, I stalled and stalled on the writing, so that I wasn't actually done until I just had time to send it for beta, and edit, and then post on Valentine's day. I knew I would be totally freaking and would probably sabotage myself and post early. I do a little better with imposed posting dates, and can put it away and get it out again on posting day, because posting before is FORBIDDEN. But if it's just me? so hard. If I am posting sans beta, though, I do my best to leave it overnight or at least several hours, before I do my read-aloud self-beta on it.
 
posted by [identity profile] alizarin-nyc.livejournal.com at 04:21am on 20/02/2010
I found that this poll makes me realize how much my opinions on this have changed, dramatically, in the last five years. I can't really explain why, I'd have to analyze it further, but wow. I'm a different writer now that I was.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 06:35am on 20/02/2010
I am totally with you there. I am a different writer in the sense that someone reading my stories could tell a difference in style/quality/tone/voice, and I am a different writer in ways that are not at all visible, but only to do with my attitude. I think those two things feed each other and feed off each other.
 
posted by [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com at 06:15am on 20/02/2010
Fascinating poll.

I find myself not being ashamed at all about admitting that comments play a large part in the overall satisfaction I feel about a vid. (And really, I'd like that not to be the case.. but there it is).

And my beta/feedback givers play a huge part in how I feel about a vid also. They can make me either feel confident about a vid that I'm not feeling so confident about or make me feel down about a vid that I was pretty previously feeling confident about. And that latter part is totally cool- in that I don't blame them for making me feel down, rather I'm down on myself for not being successful in my vid attempt. If that makes sense.

I sometimes wish I didn't care so much. It would be easier. But then if that was the case I probably wouldn't put so much effort into what I do in the first place. It's all part of the creative process. The highs and lows. Can't accept one and not the other I reckon. (That's what I tell myself anyway!*g*)

Interesting... :)
xx
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 07:55am on 20/02/2010
Comments often play a big part in how I feel about ME, but seldom in how I feel about the quality of a fic. I am not entirely sure what that is, or what I should do about it.

My betas can often get me to be more enthused about something I was unsure of, but seldom kill my joy in something I loved. (except specific sentences. Sometimes that happens. 99% of the time they are right and I was deluded when I thought it was wonderful)

I'm glad this stuff is interesting to others besides me! :D
 
posted by [identity profile] havenward.livejournal.com at 07:25am on 20/02/2010
Good poll. Although I'd be interested in how polling about con-crit turned out as well...
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 04:23pm on 20/02/2010
Do you mean in the sense of strangers leaving con-crit in comments? or like "workshopping" a fic with an audience of friends or with betas? For me, certainly, that would have very different results :)
 
posted by [identity profile] gretazreta.livejournal.com at 08:27am on 20/02/2010
I actually can't post something if I don't like it. And sometimes it takes literally months and months before I achieve that likey-ness. I'm a tinkerer.

Comment numbers... don't really bother me (which is good because some of my things have teeny comment counts and some HUGE and I don't know why for any of them). Because I won't post until I'm happy enough. Maybe not rapturous, but solid enough so that I know I won't care if everyone hates (ie comment-ignores) it. :D :D :D

One of the interesting things from my latest story (which is wing-fic so DON'T READ IT :D) is that lots of people (a really high percentage) found it sad (even with a happy ending). My Big Bang was sad, but I knew it was (it made ME sad). This latest one... I guess was sadder than I realised. Which made me wonder if I have secret sadness I'm writing out by writing stories! I'm not sure even after wondering. But it was interesting to ponder.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 04:48pm on 20/02/2010
I am definitely writing out all sort of secret [thing]ness in stories. Sadness, loneliness, fear, though my way of writing out seems to be to write the -ness already solved. Most people seem to write the solution into the story. I'm pretty sure I'm scared to get that close to it. Thus my preponderance of angst-free, schmoopy stories. And because through writing them, Sam and Dean have become sort of avatars for me, I find that I cannot read many of the "solution stories" either. It's as painful for me as writing them, but with none of the catharsis.

I have got to learn to be more of a tinkerer. That is one bad habit I have picked up through fanfic (and especially writing primarily short, one-shot PWPs): getting the goods done, and getting it out there. When the point of something is to get a visceral GUH or AWWWWW from someone, good writing is good enough. When one is trying to put together something longer, with plot and character arc (beyond moving from horny to satiated), fine-tuning a sentence so it carries just the subtext you want can make all the difference. I have always been the sort of person who did just enough homework to get the grades that would get me into the college I wanted, so I was not exactly starting from a perfectionist point. (though I have become the person who needs straight As, so there is hope for me yet with this novel)



 
posted by [identity profile] flawedamythyst.livejournal.com at 01:15pm on 20/02/2010
I've ticked most of the 'I pretty much always like my fic' boxes, but the thing is that if I don't like something, it doesn't get written. If I start not liking something, I just abandon it - if I don't like it, and I'm writing it, than why the hell would anyone else like it? Besides, the main reason I write is to make myself happy, and writing something I don't like isn't going to make me happy. I don't have the motivation for it.

And because I have such a bad memory, when I go back and reread fic, bits of it are often a surprise for me, and I almost always get a warm glow of 'I wrote this, and it's good.' Unless it's stuff I wrote before a certain cut-off point, when I'm just incredibly shamed, because it seems I was writing badfic. But, the point where I think of my writing as getting readable pretty much coincides with the beginning of my time in SPN fandom, and I don't really pay attention to the fic before that, so it's okay.

Commentwise, it annoys me sometimes how dependent I am on them. I have an 'average amount of comments' that I get, which tends to go up or down a bit depending on length, rating and slashiness, and if something gets significantly less than that (like ET did) I begin to doubt it. When I reread ET, I was surprised that it wasn't as bad as I'd been assuming it was, and now I just feel kinda sorry for it. Like: 'I still love you! Even if no one else does!'

If I get more comments than I was expecting, on the other hand, it makes me like the fic more. I try not to do this, but it seems like my favourite fics are also the ones that have got the most comments, even though I'm sure I liked other fic more when I was writing it. But then, fandom reaction usually matches up with my gut feeling about something, so it's not like I'm constantly re-assessing all my fic.

Ugh, tl;dr, sorry.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 11:24pm on 20/02/2010
totally not teal deer! this is what is fun about these kinds of posts :D

I have that same thing about a bad memory. I will sometimes forget whole fics. And the whole thing is a surprise.

I wish that I cared much less about comments, too. I don't think it's helpful. :( I can't think that lots of comments have ever made me like a fic more, but it has more than once made me more confident about a level of kinkiness that I've gone to.
 
posted by [identity profile] talia-sparkle.livejournal.com at 01:49pm on 20/02/2010
This was really interesting, especially looking at it from the point of view of an artist, rather than a writer.
It's funny how much comments and "Views" do matter, even though it really should be all about how YOU feel about a finished piece of work.
There have been times when I've really liked something and no one gives it a blind bit of notice, and other times when I've thought something was a bit crap and people have loved it. Very odd.

What this has also made me think about is how eager I am to share my artwork/writings/whatever to complete strangers online, and yet I really hate it or hide them away when people in my real life want to see. For some reason reading a nice comment from a stranger means a lot more to me than if a family member told me something I'd drawn was good. That's odd isn't it? It shouldn't be like that.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 11:36pm on 20/02/2010
I think it makes a lot of sense that it's easier to share work with strangers, and also easier to hear nice things from them. With family/friends, it can be hard to tell if they like the work, or just like you and want to make you feel good. Whereas a stranger has no reason to say something nice unless they mean it.

It's the same way for me about outfits. I can like something and feel comfortable in it, but I always feel better about it when I've had people tell me it looks good.
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posted by [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com at 02:25pm on 20/02/2010
I am diffident about the quality of my work, because I've never really considered myself a fiction writer. I try to set challenges for myself, but I don't think I am a good judge of the quality of my own work -- so I really on comments (but don't get many). So I do get sad about my work, especially when I've made something I really like, and it vanishes down the black hole of few comments. Despite not wanting to think so, I do feel like it's worse because I primarily write gen.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 12:12am on 22/02/2010
I think it's really hard to be in a fandom that is mostly slanted toward one pairing or one genre, and be writing in something different. After being in House fandom where I was writing a popular pairing, it took me ages to get used to being in a fandom that only really had two writers and six or seven fans. But having that other writer made all the difference. I couldn't have done it if I wasn't essentially writing for her. It became all about the quality of feedback rather than the quantity. But I did still need that feedback, though I wish I didn't, and could be one of those (mythical, I think) creatures who truly writes for themselves.
 
posted by [identity profile] glockgal.livejournal.com at 03:32pm on 20/02/2010
Do word semantics matter? I would say when it comes to how proud I am about my work, it's generally a feeling of 'embarrassment' rather than feeling 'ashamed'? Like, I might be more sheepish than humiliated to publicly be all "BWAAAA MAN I LOVE MY ART LIEK SO MUCH, GUYS, IT IS SO AWESOME", y'know? XD
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 12:20am on 21/02/2010
Embarrassment works, too. :D

and probably better...

MAN I LOVE YOUR ART LIEK SO MUCH, IT IS SO AWESOME!!! is pretty much what I always say about your art \o/
 
posted by [identity profile] balefully.livejournal.com at 04:44pm on 20/02/2010
My answers can be summed up thusly:


AUUUUUUGH I HATE EVERYTHING D: D: D: D:
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 12:13am on 22/02/2010
I wish that weren't true! D: D: D:

 
posted by [identity profile] moodswingers.livejournal.com at 05:21pm on 20/02/2010
What an interesting poll!

I answered with my graphics in mind, because I generally like the stuff I make, whereas writing and everything related to it pretty much traumatizes me, so in the end I gave it up. I clicked on "something else" for the last question: I wouldn't say I don't care about comments at all, but getting two or twenty doesn't make much difference to me. Making graphics is primarily a form of relaxation for me, but since I make mostly icons, I'm pretty sure I would stop posting them if I never got any comments and do other things, such as only making wallpapers for my own use or something because people using them is kind of the point of icons.

Wow, that was a convoluted paragraph. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 12:19am on 22/02/2010
You have made me think about how I feel about comments on the few icon posts I've made. And I think that I don't care about getting comments so much for them because I have decided that I am a poor icon maker, though I am getting better, and so if only one person comments, that doesn't rock my world view at all. And also, I make icons because I don't like to have the same icons as other people. So I am pretty much just making them for myself, and for the practice, and because, as you say, it's relaxing (though god knows why; it's the type of thing I usually hate). But I tend to write fic for other people's pleasure as well as my own.
 
posted by [identity profile] kelios.livejournal.com at 07:32am on 21/02/2010
Interesting poll. I like seeing what other people think. Some of the questions don't apply to me (I don't use a beta), but I never stop and think--this isn't a test, I don't have to check every box lol. School mentality, I guess.

Comments don't really matter much to me. They are nice to get, but I post almost exclusively in my journal or directly to whomever the story was written for, so I don't worry when I don't get a lot of feedback. I'm also an obsessive tinkerer, so probably three quarters of what I write never gets posted at all. Even if I do post a story, I sometimes go back a week or a month later and 'fix' it, because nothing is ever finished with me lol.

I do like reading comments for other authors, esp. my favorites. I like seeing what others get out of a story and comparing it to what I enjoyed.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 12:23am on 22/02/2010
I definitely love reading comments to my fave authors. I especially do it for my "fringe" fandoms--the ones I am less sure about writing in, so that I know what people in the fandom like, what they respond to, etc. I write what makes me happy, but I also like to write what makes other people happy, so it's a good way to know, I've found. Plus, I like hearing people say nice things about people I like! :D

I've been having serious comma tinkering urges lately. I keep reading older stuff and seeing what a balls-up I made of comma usage. Especially on stuff i wrote before my intensive grammar class. I often don't hit edit, though I should. :D

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