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posted by [personal profile] rivers_bend at 07:31am on 24/07/2012 under ,

LAKSDJHFALKSDJFHLASDKJFASDKFJADLS;KFAS DFFASD;FJASDFKHAIEFUADS;FJ THIS SHOW

I had a super fraught time even watching it, as none of the streams or purchase dl places had it yet, and the first two dls I tried didn't work at all, and the third worked great UNTIL I GOT TO 32 MINUTES IN AT WHICH POINT IT FROZE, and then I am on a time crunch this morning and the fourth dl said it would take an hour, but then LO, MTV's site finally had it up, so I could watch the last ten minutes.

ALL THE FUCKING FEELINGS.

I can't honestly remember a show where guys were creepy as fuck toward girls then got called on it, and treated as if they were creepy as fuck and not to be trusted. It was terrifying when Matt was trying to get Alison to come in with him, and god, Crystal did a fucking AMAZING job showing what that's like, when you feel like you have to be polite, and you're scared, and you just want to get away, but you aren't totally sure what to do, but she held her ground and she left, and just. It didn't feel gratuitous even. It felt like, this is the shit girls have to deal with, and that is WHACKED.

And oh my fucking god, Crystal and Holland and Dylan. RIP MY FUCKING HEART OUT WHY DON'T YOU.

STILES. STILES AND HIS DAD.

AND LYDIA. SHE IS SO FUCKING ALONE AND I WANT TO HOLD HER AND SIT HER DOWN AND TELL HER EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR ON TEEN WOLF.

AND ALISON. GAH. (although wtaf. nothing says I love you like stabbing myself in the heart ON THE BED WHERE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO FUCKING SLEEP. WHAT THE HELL WAS MAMA TERRORARGENT THINKING???)

BOYD. I LOVE YOU. I love how he was all over what spirals mean and not scared to speculate what they mean to Derek. He's not scared of being ~wrong. He's thirsty for knowledge. He and Lydia should totally get together and share information. and then organize the hell out of the pack.

lolol that Holland would be able to drag a dead-weight Hoechlin across rough terrain. Clearly she was borrowing Alpha powers. da;sldfsda;lfkd HOW CREEPY WAS THAT FINAL SCENE VISUALLY. WELL DONE, SHOW.

also, feels help me, but I couldn't help thinking, if Derek isn't Alpha anymore that will leave him open to character development that might let him get it together with Stiles. I can't help it.

STILES BROUGHT DRAG QUEENS. I bet they were shoving their numbers in his pockets while they were petting him, and he was like, yeah, cool, I need low-stress petting sometimes, I'll just stick these in my phone.

OH THAT REMINDS ME. After the scene in the gay bar when Stiles' dad tells him he's not gay because of the clothes he's wearing. And I saw people on tumblr saying they hated that because clothes don't make you gay. AND THIS IS TRUE.

BUT. I do think that line is more complicated than people were making it out to be. It didn't faze me at all, because in context, I think Sheriff Stilinski was totally right.

A sixteen-year-old boy who has realized he's gay and is going to a gay bar for the first time (especially in a place where he has had exposure to gay culture as it seems Stiles has) is much, much more likely to go there dressed to impress. a gay teen can (and does) absolutely wear baggy jeans and a shapeless hoodie to school and for hanging with his friends. But if he was in that bar because he is gay, which is what he was trying to get his dad to believe, I think it's TOTALLY reasonable for his dad to be suspicious of his outfit. And I don't think it's the same thing as saying that clothes make the queer.

But I do see that the distinction is subtle, and probably isn't going to come across in a TV show with a wider audience than just queer folks who have been through that first visit to a gay bar, and therefore comes across as just humour that isn't really funny. I think a kid that would bring a present wider than the door to the girl he's in love with is going to wear a tight t-shirt and better fitting jeans to a gay bar if he's going there because he's gay, though. And I think Stiles' dad knows this about him. ymmv obvs :D

speaking of things people often say about gay people that irritate me...



I have always REALLY hated it when people said "it's such a waste" because someone is gay. But today I understood just a little bit, because I looked at these pictures of Colton Haynes, and my first thought was, it is such a waste if the rumours are false and this guy isn't queer. And then I got all frownyface at myself. But seriously, Colton, I hope you are having LOTS OF SEX with awesome dudes. And ladies, if that's your thing, but dudes also. Because DAY-UM. I AM SHALLOW. SORRY I'M NOT THAT SORRY.
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posted by [identity profile] linaerys.livejournal.com at 02:38pm on 24/07/2012
STILES BROUGHT DRAG QUEENS.

AKSDKLGLSKDJ!! I was hyperventilating with glee when that happened. Because! And also! And he should hang out with them a lot and be petted and told how adorable he is. He could totally handle their drama after deal with with werewolf drama.

"it's such a waste" because someone is gay

Heh. I want most sexy people to be poly and bi. So EVERYONE can be enjoying that.

:D
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:50pm on 24/07/2012
YES PLEASE. and he expects them to come through the window the first time, because that's what his friends/wolves DO, but they are all, Oh, honey, no. We don't climb in these shoes. We come in the front door like civilized people. And Stiles' dad is like, Hey, ladies, come on in.

THIS SHOW IS REALLY GREAT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS MENTIONED THAT YET.

also OMG IS YOUR FIC ALMOST HERE???? :D
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posted by [personal profile] heard_the_owl at 02:55pm on 24/07/2012
ALL OF THIS POST IS WONDERFUL TO ME.
AND COLTON MUST BE HAVING ALL OF THE SEX WITH ALL OF THE MEN. EVEN IF ONLY IN MY FANFIC DREAMS.

Oh! And great icons can be found at this awesome icon contest comm - [livejournal.com profile] teenwolf_elite and through all the makers' who post there's journals! <3
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:12pm on 25/07/2012
oh yay, icons! Thank you, honey :D

Colton is made of gay sex, basically.
 
posted by [identity profile] vorpalblades.livejournal.com at 03:02pm on 24/07/2012
STILES BROUGHT DRAG QUEENS.

SERIOUSLY! The moment he said "I met them the other day" or whatever, I'm all, "Oh dear god he's calling..."

And then BAM. Made me laugh so hard!

And then he broke my damn heart with his hallucination.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:13pm on 25/07/2012
I knew as soon as he said it, and was SO DELIGHTED to be right. And they didn't mock them or anything, they were just extra people. Awesome.

oh my god his hallucination. I was completely weeping.
 
posted by [identity profile] lokte.livejournal.com at 03:49pm on 24/07/2012
Argh, I don't even know what to say. It is all too much. I am still in the early uncontrolled flailing stage and nothing has really coalesced yet.

Stiles. OMG. Stiles' and his Dad. Dylan. (I don't know yet where Stiles finishes and Dylan starts but I suspect Dylan is frickin amazing too. Ugh his face.) And srs Wolfpain Derek v smiley fluffball TylerH. I can't even. Totally adorable goober TylerP. And beeyouutiful Holland/Crystal/Colton with extra Colton. Moar Boyd please and zenwolf Lucas. Ack.

/incoherence your version is much better!

Halp.
 
posted by [identity profile] no-detective.livejournal.com at 02:43am on 25/07/2012
And srs Wolfpain Derek v smiley fluffball TylerH. I can't even.

I just snorted into my water. THANK YOU.

*continues to flail incoherently*
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:23pm on 25/07/2012
lol I CANNOT WAIT TO FANGIRL THIS SHOW IN PERSON WITH YOU. <333
 
posted by [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com at 04:32pm on 24/07/2012
STILES BROUGHT DRAG QUEENS. I bet they were shoving their numbers in his pockets while they were petting him, and he was like, yeah, cool, I need low-stress petting sometimes, I'll just stick these in my phone.

That scene MADE MY LIFE! And I like you're theory for how this was possible. Stiles both needs and deserves people petting him and telling him he's adorable. AWWWWWWW!!!

Colton Haynes: OH MY GOD *stares*
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:31pm on 25/07/2012
I do not even know what to do with Colton's hips tbh. just. WHAT. WHAT.

I loved the drag queens, and how they weren't a joke any more than any randoms showing up at your birthday party would be a joke. And I definitely love to think of Stiles having some normal friends who don't go batshit with a full moon. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com at 04:50pm on 24/07/2012
FEEEEEEEEELINGS. Oh man. I am also stoked on Boyd and also I enjoy Derek when he is covered in blood and I have mixed feelings about him not being an alpha anymore because I kind of enjoyed how he was navigating that power dynamic? And how not everyone was accepting his position, and he kind of had to fight for it? Mmmmmm. I WAS SO OVER UNCLE PHIL THOUGH. GO THE FUCK AWAY. UGH.

I really really really really love that Stiles had all the numbers of the folks from the gay bar and not only that but he was totally cool with calling them and bringing them, y'know? And also that many of the shots where the camera panned through the party with people making out, sometimes the people making out were dudes! And it looked like dudes that weren't Danny! Because Danny is great but sometimes I feel like they lean on him too heavily to be That One Gay Dude, y'know? LOL I am laughing now that on tumblr we were all guessing the dudes making out in the background were Danny and Matt, when we saw the episode preview last week. LOL NOPE. TURNS OUT MATT IS REALLY CREEPY.

Sometimes I wonder if we didn't have to spend 50% of each episode watching people get bolts screwed into their heads or snakes come out of their eye sockets or whatever, how much more AMAZING interaction we'd get between the characters. Seriously, I could just watch EPISODES of these people interacting outside of a) screaming, b)running, and c) fighting. SIGH I AM SO PICKY, I want my werewolf action shows with less action, LOL.

Stiles brought drag queens. YESSSSSSSSSSSSS. Can we have the fics where he hangs out with them or is secretly discovering his own interests in drag already? PLEASE? *_________*
 
posted by [identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com at 04:53pm on 24/07/2012
Also if Stiles keeps getting teary in every episode now, I'm going to start having a Stiles Problem. UGH UGH UGH.

I appreciated your reflections on his dad's comment re: the clothes, by the way. Yes and yes.
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posted by [personal profile] isweedan at 07:37pm on 24/07/2012
Can we have the fics where he hangs out with them or is secretly discovering his own interests in drag already? PLEASE? *_________*

::grabby haaaaaaaands::
 
posted by [identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com at 06:25am on 25/07/2012
CAN YOU IMAGINE IT? Seriously. Oh my GOD, those EYELASHES. *__________*
 
posted by [identity profile] no-detective.livejournal.com at 02:50am on 25/07/2012
Can we have the fics where he hangs out with them or is secretly discovering his own interests in drag already? PLEASE? *_________*

ALKSD;SKHF;ASKDHFA;SDKFH YES PLEASE

...also, that pic of Dylan in your icon is FASCINATING because, to me, he kind of looks like a woman in man!drag and it takes my breath away every time I see it. And as a young, young guy, I don't think he's aware of his own gender performance versatility at this point, but OH MY GOD what I wouldn't give for an ep in which Stiles has to pass as a girl for some creature-feature adventure reason.
 
posted by [identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com at 06:27am on 25/07/2012
THIS IS A THING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, SERIOUSLY. I can totally buy that! The lips, the eyelashes, the pink cheeks. Oh my goddddd.

what I wouldn't give for an ep in which Stiles has to pass as a girl for some creature-feature adventure reason

This is the show that gave us Undercover At A Gay Bar as CANON. *_______* I wouldn't put it past them *____________*
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:34pm on 25/07/2012
It does seem sometimes like the horror is a little pastede on yaye to remind us that we are watching a horror genre show, but it is what it is :D :D

omg your icon!

I'm really just SO FUCKING INTO how they navigate queerness on this show. I can't wait to see what they are going to do next.
 
posted by [identity profile] untitleddemo.livejournal.com at 10:20pm on 24/07/2012
OH YAY YOU ARE WATCHING TOO. I am rooting for my entire flist to switch to Teen Wolf and it is actually happening, hoorah!

I LOVE COLTON BEST.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:37pm on 25/07/2012
I am watching and loving! There is just so much great going on. I was super skeptical at first, but that disappeared about twenty minutes into the second episode, and i was HOOKED.
 
posted by [identity profile] sophie-448.livejournal.com at 11:55pm on 24/07/2012
UGH THIS EPISODE. ALL THE FEELS. I CAN'T.

I was also struck by how well the Matt and Allison situation was handled. Her fear was treated as totally rational and absolutely the right response, and was validated by Matt's reaction when she called him on it.

I feel a bit~ of the "white gay male" perspective at work in the show, but I can see that they're at least trying for intersectionality. And the way that they deal with their female characters is very impressive for the most part. Could have done without Erica's period quip this week, but still.

About Sheriff Stilinski's line ... I think the thing is that it can be taken either way. Knowing what I do about Jeff Davis, I doubt that it was his intention to call up outdated stereotypes. But most people, even most people watching Teen Wolf, are basically up to their eyeballs in heteronormativity and don't even realize it. Given that this is the case, I think it could have been made a bit clearer if he meant "not dressed like that right now outside this club if you were going there to meet guys" as opposed to "not dressed like that because that is not how I believe gay men dress in general."

In a show that's otherwise so stellar, I'm not inclined to hold a grudge or anything. And I know that things can slip through the cracks with a tight TV production schedule. It happens. But the line is still ambiguous.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:42pm on 25/07/2012
I really liked this post on Erica's quip. http://theoldwalkingsong.tumblr.com/post/27990719830/period-jokes-so-rife-with-possibility

So many feels in this episode. I definitely never imagined we would be getting anything like that when I watched the pilot. This show keeps surprising me.
 
posted by [identity profile] matchboximpala.livejournal.com at 03:23am on 25/07/2012
Yes. Yes to all of it.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:42pm on 25/07/2012
:D :D
 
posted by [identity profile] loveflyfree.livejournal.com at 03:24am on 25/07/2012
OH MY GOD THIS SHOW. I just got all caught up this past weekend so this was the first episode I saw going in knowing absolutely no spoilers. AND IT WAS GLORIOUS. although I watched it before work this morning and then had to try and function when all I could do was think werewolfy thoughts.

THIS EPISODE HAD SO MUCH GOOD AND THEN SAD AND THEN GOOD AGAIN AND AAAAHHHHHHHH.

PEOPLE. YOU NEED TO TELL LYDIA WHAT IS GOING ON. UGH.

Derek thank god you turned Boyd because you need at least one wolf who can actually think. although I do really love what they did with Isaac in this with him learning to anchor himself. AND while I could have probably done without the 'had my period last week' line (not all women get all rage-y!) I did love a lot the whole acknowledgment that Erica can withstand more pain than the other two.

DRAG QUEENS. as soon as Stiles said he was going to call someone I was all !!!!!!!!!A;LSKDJF;LASKJDF;LKJD. and I like your thing about him keeping the numbers for some 'low-stress petting.' BEST.

STILES AND HIS DAD. OH GOD SHOW FUUUUUUCK YOU.

SO MANY FEEEEELINGS.

also Colton. ;alskdjf;laskdj;fajsdf;akjsdf;lakjsdf
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:40am on 26/07/2012
THIS SHOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW. WHAT. HOW.

I mainlined the first season in a day and a half, so it is all kind of a blur. I have rewatched some of it already though.

ALL. THE. FEELINGS.
 
posted by [identity profile] no-detective.livejournal.com at 03:57am on 25/07/2012
COLTON!!! (But have you seen him with a cat (http://no-gorms.tumblr.com/post/27827024100/caaaaaaaaaaaat-stop-making-me-like-you-mr)? Because a;sdfh;sdalkhf;alskhdf he is too much omg.)

I need a million stories about Stiles and drag queens. A MILLION. <3
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:50am on 26/07/2012
NOOOOOOOOOO NOT WITH A CAT NOT OKAY. AKLSDJHFLASDKJFHAS;DKFJA;LSDKFJDS

He is so great. extra great with drag queens.
 
posted by [identity profile] tanpopo03.livejournal.com at 08:12pm on 02/08/2012
Hey there! I haven't been around here in aaages, but can I just say I agree with all of this! KSDJFHKSDJFH STILES!! :D

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