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Okay, so I totally forgot to commentate! I got all flustered by having forgotten to start watching Flash Forward until nearly 8:30.
Here we are in the first break:
I absolutely loved the opening. Dean driving fast while asking Sammy if he's okay, the skidding Impala, the fire, the firemen/hunters, the incredulity all around :D
Leah is so not the cutest prophet. Chuck is much cuter. It's possible that she's hotter. I dig papa pastor's thigh holster, though. Dean would look hot in one of those.
LOLOL CASTIEL'S VOICEMAIL MESSAGE. I didn't get what it was until Sam started talking and then I was totally laughing and missed what Sam said!
I'm glad to see we're trusting Sam to have the knife again. Though a little confused about the mysterious disappearance of his powers or any mention of them. Sam throwing the knife into the demon's back which also happened to pass it to Dean so he could use it to kill the next demon was awesome and made me happy.
I'm slashing and also a little dubious about Flask-guy and his friend whose back he has.
Cute boy is cute. And thus clearly had to die. He doesn't look nearly young enough to be those people's son, though. Poor Dean! He does so hate losing people.
I don't like Leah. I've decided. There is something hinky about her. I do like Dean Winchester, though. He's very pretty. I'm also a fan of Sammy Winchester. And the bartender he's killing inventory with. They are also pretty. Apparently pretty is more compelling than fundamentalist compounds.
Is Lucifer talking to Leah?
omg Drunk Castiel! Hi, Drunk Castiel! Hi! You make me laugh.
aaah. now I get why the slashy looks between Pretty bartender and his friend.
I feel a little bit like I'm missing something obvious in this episode. Not so much like it's badly written, but like my brain is failing. Dean is depressed and has given up. Castiel has drunk a liquor store and apparently gotten drunk. Sam needs Dean to keep fighting for him, because he cannot do this alone. Leah is creepy, is apparently not a prophet, is wearing too much lip-liner for her lipstick color, and the townspeople are turning against each other.
You breed with the mouth of a goat LOL IT'S FUNNIER IN ENOCHIAN.
aaaaaaaaaand clearly lipliner is the sign of the whore of babylon?
Oooh cypress stake is pretty. And apparently Daddy is going to have to kill his little girl.
in other news. HOW FUCKING HOT DOES THE LOSERS LOOK? This is not the first time I've said this. It will not be the last.
Dean is utterly implacable in his grief. I like the trifecta of personalities and responses to the situation they've set up with Sam and Dean and Cas.
I am actually really uncomfortable with Jensen/Dean and the way he says "Whore".
Not to do a 360, but Sam's hair is really pretty in this scene.
I'm glad I'm not the only one asking if Dean is going to do something "Michael stupid"
OMG FUCKING DEAN YOU JUST DROVE OFF AND LEFT YOUR BROTHER. You lied to him and then drove off.
God, I love this ironic tampon ad.
Dean Winchester driving off without his brother, though, NOT SO MUCH.
OMG AD BREAK, END NOW.
Though lol with the McDonalds fries ad sandwiching the lowering cholesterol Cheerios ad.
If Dean didn't have Lisa's number how did he know she moved and how did he find her?
Jensen is heartbreakingly beautiful. Seriously. Rest of this scene, I'm really not processing.
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With all of my epic and unwavering rage for the end of this episode, I completely forgot this part! Cas made me laugh several times tonight, I truly adore him.
I do not adore Dean lying to Sam and leaving him to rush off... to Lisa. Totally unexpected there.
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The last five minutes were unearned. Which is frustrating. because that could have been actually a good move, and I can kind of see what they were hoping to do. But IMO it didn't work. boo.
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Castiel makes this episode worth watching, I've decided. Answer-phone message, having a gigggle-snort over Enochian jokes.
I feel like there needs to be some kind of Spn bar joke. Chick walks into a bar. Says she's a main character. Someone stabs her because she's either evil or going to die anyway. This episode made me feel SKEEVY.
But yes, Sam's hair was lovely. And Sam was lovely and desperate and Dean was a spaz. The end.
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Castiel was really good in this episode, I thought.
Definitely skeevy. And I don't usually get that with SPN.
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Me either, because I don't believe in it. It doesn't seem in character to me.
I'm glad I'm not the only one asking if Dean is going to do something "Michael stupid"
Well-phrased too, I thought. I know exactly what he means!
OMG FUCKING DEAN YOU JUST DROVE OFF AND LEFT YOUR BROTHER. You lied to him and then drove off.
Didn't like that at all either.
I enjoyed this episode a lot until the codette, which felt totally wrong to me.
Castiel's voicemail cracked me up, though-- too bad HSH was out of the room for that!
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The 'whore' thing, though ... hm. I mean, it's not like the writers made up the name, but OTOH they didn't really need to emphasise it quite so much either.
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I think I'm gonna try to pretend that they've done a better job selling me the lisa thing, or pretend it didn't happen, depending on where they go with it. I do it with fic all the time, I can do it with show :)
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You could always try to *fix* it with fic ... *beams*
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Jensen is heartbreakingly beautiful.
This.
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Dying, DYING, for the next ten minutes and randomly for the rest of the show whenever I remembered and I have to rewatch the whole thing now. Same thing happened the first time Castiel had the cell phone on the side of the road. Oh, my god, I love Misha.
Leah was exactly like what's her name. The preacher who saved Dean in S2. She was a CARBON COPY of the wife, but 25 years younger. EXACT SAME PERSON, I TELL YOU.
Cute boy is cute. And thus clearly had to die. My exact thoughts. Well, my exact thoughts kinda went like this:
Oh, damn, he's fine. Nice cheekbones. Sam could check him out, confirm his bisexuality. Hey, I should write a letter to Kripke and ask him when he's gonna out Sam. Hey, I should go to a convention and ask Jared if Sam's bi, and if he says no, ask him if HE'S bi, then. Hey, that guy is seriously cute. There could be fic if - NOPE. HE'S DEAD. WHAT WAS I THINKING.
omg Drunk Castiel! Hi, Drunk Castiel! Hi! You make me laugh.
Yep, and another ten minutes +random laughter out of nowhere = lost understanding of show. (It's 7:28 here and I am minus coffee and tired.)
You breed with the mouth of a goat LOL IT'S FUNNIER IN ENOCHIAN.
SERIOUSLY. JUST SERIOUSLY. LOVE.
I am actually really uncomfortable with Jensen/Dean and the way he says "Whore".
My first thought was, uh oh, fandom wank again. My second thought was, Hey, Dean's the whore, here. My final and lasting thought was, The Whore of Babylon wasn't actually a whore, per say, but more of a demon. So the way we use whore may not have the same connotation as whore a few thousand years ago, which makes the use of the word even more disturbing. Also, I think that she was a figment of a tripping man's imagination, but that's pretty much how I see most stories from the bible. I think they all got hold of some peyote and decided to write a book, a la The Doors and most of their music.
(And there's that whole school of thought that the "whore of Babylon" is actually a place, so...it's like Samhain, part deux.)
ANYWAY, hi, Ilu, I have no opinions on Dean and Lisa and why he is ridiculous and stupid. Well, that's an opinion, I guess.
But Sam? Sam??? Sam was just the perfect brother, and he has been ever since Ruby died, and I wish he'd get some credit for that at some point. He's been trying and trying and mama is tired of him getting shat upon while Dean's praises are sung on high.
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this exactly: Oh, damn, he's fine. Nice cheekbones. Sam could check him out, confirm his bisexuality. Hey, I should write a letter to Kripke and ask him when he's gonna out Sam. Hey, I should go to a convention and ask Jared if Sam's bi, and if he says no, ask him if HE'S bi, then. Hey, that guy is seriously cute. There could be fic if - NOPE. HE'S DEAD. WHAT WAS I THINKING.
except for the asking Jared part.
Sam is being pretty awesome lately. It's true. Dean needs to figure out how to see that.
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What was the point of that line? WHAT? Are they telepathically connected? I don't get it.
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Because he's Dean Winchester, and he's awesome like that.
Drunk Cas (with his voicemail and his beastiality comment) was the best part of the episode, which was so-so, IMO. The begining felt weirdly disjointed from the rest of the episode, and the second half was "meh".
I guess Dean is Ben's daddy again. Okay. It was a little random, but I'll go with it. I think Kripke felt like bringing back an SPN girl for the end of the season, and then remembered that he killed them all. Lisa at least got another mention on the show after her episode (as Dean's dream wife, no less).
The whore thing didn't bother me (to be fair, I can be pretty hard to offend), though I knew from the second I heard it, the fans wouldn't like it. The thing is, what was Dean supposed to call her? She was called "The Whore". There's no way a guy like Dean wouldn't harp on that a bit. It was in character for him.
Am I the only person who thought for a second, when Dean threw Cas the aspirin and told him to take the whole bottle, that he was suggesting Cas kill himself? :P I'm sort of sensitive to that, I guess. Don't misdirect med administration!
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If Dean is ben's daddy again, they really need to let us in on this little secret. If Dean thinks he really might be they need to do it. They need to do something to SHOW us how Dean is feeling. that bit in Dean's dream felt really shoehorned in to me, as did this. LALALA It's another snow white thing, I can tell.
I was much less concerned about the concept of the whore of babylon than I was by Jensen's line delivery and the way it made me feel literally sick to my stomach every time he said it. DNW.
I didn't think that about the aspirin because I've long ago given up freaking out about the OTC drug overdoses they take in this show. Also if Cas needed a whole liquor store to get drunk, he needs a whole bottle of aspirin, probs. And Jimmy's liver survived getting turned to ash already :D :D
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Well, since they made a point of conflating the two, why not "The False Prophet"?
Or he could have called her "The Whore" for most of it, but not said that A GOOD DAY IS WHEN YOU GET TO KILL A WHORE. Because this show is not supposed to be Grand Theft Auto.
(Aside from that line, and a little wtfery over the coda, I really did enjoy this episode. I keep feeling the need to disclaim this, haha.)
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I'd seriously cast Jensen in my Jack the Ripper movie, ngl. He'd kill it.
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I've been working through my flist and there's approximately five billionty posts going "aw man there's going to be so much misogyny wank", and, like...I feel like everyone wants [me] to sit down and shut up. But you know what else would solve misogyny wank?
LESS FUCKING MISOGYNY.
Ahaha, you make me want to rewatch My Bloody Valentine. The movie, not the episode. Oh, psycho!Jensen, you are so pleasing.
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I'm also curious as to how Dean managed to track Lisa down. >_>
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If Dean was happiest with Lisa & Ben, why didn't they show up in his idea of heaven? IDK.
I recognized the not!prophet from an old episode of Bones, which distracted me no end.
I'm even swoonier than usual today because I saw the second ever ep of the show with my breakfast. They were babies then! Babies, I tell you! And Dean...
*flails*
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Dean/Lisa I have thoughts: first reaction, cries (Dean left Sam) - DNW!. I think this is meant more as an ideal of what "Dean Can't Have." than any real true love idea. I've thought for some time that Dean idealized normal (and in some small way part of his anger at Sam for leaving is Dean didn't feel he could do the same thing) - unlike Sam who has had normal and had a chance to know by experience that it is not for him. Second, Dean loves family more than anything - why wouldn't he want one of his own? Again, it makes a certain kind of sense that for Dean this would be mom/dad/kids. He's never seen another model and unlike Sam who's seen alternative family situations, Dean hasn't - he's been spoon fed TV and lived on memories of his Mom. Mary/Dean=Lisa/Ben. I don't think this was meant as a love of his life reference becasue Cassie is the obvious/better choice. For me show gender fails here (even more than the careless/thoughtless/offensive whore remarks) because it implies that woman is only of value in her ability to produce children. In other words Dean chose Lisa primarily becasue of her son, not becasue of some deep emotional connection. Third:it happened so fast in show I had to go back and think about it - Dean failed to save another mother's son this episode. We know Dean took this as a personal failure - kid was leaning on his car, drinking his beer and Dean couldn't save him ::flaily hands:: I see Lisa/Ben as a parallel to this as well - their is at least one mother/son he can save. Oh and on last thinky - this also has a subtle Mary/Jesus parallel as well.
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You are right about the failing to save another woman's son thing. god. Dean broke so bad at that. :(
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This made me think of Sarah Palin, which made me giggle.
And, I've seen several people mention the 'whore' thing, but I didn't even notice it at the time - but then, I never really notice this stuff that fandom then gets upset about. I guess I'm just oblivious to implied misogyny etc.
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Oh, god. I don't usually pay much attention to those things, but it was really squicking me this week. blergh. I was actually thinking, "this is almost as bad as the teeth in the sink or the eating raw meat."
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"I'm slashing and also a little dubious about Flask-guy and his friend whose back he has." My thoughts exactly lol!
Favourite quote: "Sam's of course an abomination." Cas' matter-of-fact face, Sam's sad-yet-accepting face...what can I say, it was hilarious.
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Castiel was awesome this week! :D
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He's a stalker as well as a prostitute-killer.
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*curses removal of Johnny Depp icon from my collection*
*picks one at random*
*lolz at result*
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