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either I missed 'then' or there was no then. hmm
FBI investigating rodents? Nope, they're LARPing. Supernatural LARPing. WTF IS GOING ON? I AM REALLY LOVING THIS. And the boys faces. Sam's in particular. DEAN IS FULL FRONTAL.
WHAT IS GOING ON. WHAT? W.H.A.T?
SAM!GIRLS AND DEAN!GIRLS. AND WINCEST? This is freaking me out. SERIOUSLY FREAKING ME OUT.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS.
hahaha. Sam's snort at "How often do you cry like that?"
TATTOOS! UM. WHY DIDN'T WE GET TO SEE HER ASS?
So this is basically Stranger than Fiction? With Kripke putting
Sam's "What?" whenever Dean knows something he doesn't expect is a little OTT.
Laundromat scene is KILLING ME. Brooding and pensive shoulders. Sam thinking Dean is a dick.
Sam is so incredulous about the fiery demonic passion. Which, um, you were there when you shagged Ruby, right? Sam?
Dean in pink flower band-aids or duct tapes and bar rags.
Kripke's Hollow Diner? *loves* Veggie Tofu burger.
Their not-arguing makes Dean VERY pretty. And wow, fast service. I want a bacon cheeseburger now.
Surely, Dean, staying in the hotel room with your brother would be opposite of driving around in the impala. don't you think? gah. this is PAINFUL. RED Motel. Mini Van.
THIS EPISODE IS FREAKING ME OUT. I am seriously in love with getting Sam's story, but I have CHILLS all up my arms and across the back of my neck. I actually feel terrified.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAND then they mitigate the terror by giving us Dean in kiddy band-aids. OMG BABY IMPALA!
PROPHET OF THE LORD? ooooookay. Hi Misha with your sexy Castiel voice.
I seriously cannot get to grips with my emotions about this episode. I kind of feel like my skin is being peeled off. At the very least all my clothes. It's incredibly clever. but it's also clever-clever. And while I have a great love for self-referential things, I prefer them to refer to the self that is the show/movie, not the self that is ME.
M. Night level douchyness.
Misha. LOVE. "I am not. Kidding you." Seriously love your delivery.
"The gospel of us." Again. Delivery of awesome.
It's not what you think, Dean. It's much worse. I am drinking blood.
DEAN DO NOT LEAVE. FUCK YOU. DO NOT LEAVE. JESUS. YOU HAD BETTER JUST BE GETTING A SODA.
Dean and Castiel's plan makes me gleeeeeee. Dean clicking on what happens. The looks they exchange. Castiel's apparent willingness to help with Sam. Dean's UTTER DETERMINATION to help Sam.
If that woman were my hygenist? I would get a new dentist. She is freaky looking. Which, yk, is good for someone playing Lilith. Not so good for cleaning my teeth.
So she's immune to him now. But he's still immune to her.
um, does she want Sammy's baby? cos that is ikky to me. Why is Sam's head on a stick less ikky? WAY less desirable.
and they nod to the consent issues again. Not that I'm buying it. Though in my experience most straight girls DO want it bad from Sam.
I AM THE PROPHET, CHUCK.
my new favourite line of anything ever, I think. Who is directing this episode? There is some freaking GREAT line delivery going on.
Yay! Zacharias again! Though I am not all that keen on whatever Chuck has seen. He is not keen on it, and he likes Sam and Dean.
I LIKE SAM AND DEAN, TOO.
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INDEED. I just wrote a big thinky post, but really, yeah, this. :/
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In classes we've been talking about the notion of authorial intent versus perceived meaning, and the ways we can process early feedback on drafts to get general perception closer to intent, but how ultimately you can't control everything, and you shouldn't. You might write a story tangentially about a woman with senile dementia. But someone who knows a person with Alzheimer's is going to see that, and someone who lived with their mother who had alcohol induced dementia will see that. And unless you have expressly stated what your character is going through, none of their readings are going to be wrong.
and I am kind of rambling. but yeah. anyway. There was a lot in this episode that I loved. And some stuff that made me cringy. I don't feel that I have an entitlement to co-opt their work but they DON'T have an entitlement to co-opt mine. I don't feel gotten at, either. but Sam and Dean talking about wincest did squick the hell out of me.
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That's why you're a writer and I'm not :P
That's exactly what I've been trying to articulate but failing miserably at. LOL
While it makes me feel uncomfortable to be called out so brazenly, I'm still able to be a sport and laugh at myself.
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Yes. That. I wasn't into fandom 10 years ago, but if I had been and I'd seen this, I think I would have had a much more upset reaction. I wasn't in a place then to be able to step aside. I still got squicked by Sam and Dean talking about wincest, though. It's my whole DENIAL LAND KTHX thing :)
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Oh, I know! First, EW calls out Wincest and alludes to RPS, and now this too.
Does this mean people outside my shiny fandom bubble will now have an inkling about the deviant things I participate in online when I mention that show nobody watches on that network nobody cares about? O_o
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but eeef! if not!
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chuck's dream at the very beginning, with wuick flashed of the boys life, was the 'then'.
i'm going to be saying "I AM THE PROPHET, CHECK", all weekend now. loved that line.
i liked the second half of the ep better than the first.
and i found it oddly....wierd, that j was LOL'ng a lot in the first half, at the references about the fangirls, and the wank and the slash, as she has not a clue about fandonm, while i was cringing.
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It was definitely an uncomfortable first half for a lot of us in fandom. like when your sister puts the naked pictures of you in the bath into the slideshow at your wedding, I think.
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Mike Rohl was the director, who also did "On the Head of a Pin" and "Fulsom Prison Blues."
And Julie Siege, who wrote the teleplay for this one, is officially three for three. She wrote this one, "Criss Angel is a Douche Bag" and "It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester." Her lines are made of epic.
I couldn't agree more that everyone's work, behind the camera and in front of it, was just out of this world for this episode. Kudos, Show!
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And I do have to say, again, that despite my not-love for some of the angst levels we're getting this season, I have been OVER THE MOON with how amazing and how consistent the quality of the show has been. lighting, effects, wardrobe, sets, tiny details, acting, guest stars and extras. Everything that I don't even know about that goes into making the show. I feel like you can SEE the effect of all the love people talk about when they say what a great show it is to work on. there is some INCREDIBLE talent on this show.
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I can understand that - that's well-put. For better or worse, I think the show has adopted us as much a part of their self as we have invested ourselves in them...I'm not saying what they did was appropriate; I don't think it was meant maliciously or anything, however.
I agree about the terrifying - this was an intense episode. Oh, boys. *clutches them*
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I can only read J2 because of the part of my brain that chops off any knowledge that the Js know anything about it. And I kind of feel the same way about Wincest. Though I am glad that I don't feel entirely constrained by canon such that now they know about it I can never write it again. At least, I hope not!
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That was perfectly stated. I agree completely. I think they have a sense of humor about it, which I appreciate. I have a sense of humor about it as well so I was falling over laughing at that scene. It will be interesting to see how much those few lines actually pull the slash community into the public eye. We are a long-established but not well-known sub-sect of fanfic and most don't even know about fanfic.
Surely one of our wonderful wincestual writers can take that scene and turn it into a wonderful coda moment. I can picture it but writing fic is not my forte. Reading and loving it is.
I AM THE PROPHET CHUCK!
(Actually, I am the prophet Monica.)
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I think I'm in love with Chuck.
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and yes. totally cracking me up.
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Castiel is starting to GET. IT. I love it.
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There is some freaking GREAT line delivery going on.
YES!
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I have been thinking about the fact that I don't usually have an opinion on line delivery on other shows, but often notice that it's great on this show, and wondering why that is. And I think that most of the TV I watch doesn't do a whole lot to mesh comedy and angst/horror the way this one does. And shows like CSI, where they try to have jokey lines, they almost always make me cringe. But SPN blends the two SO brilliantly, that it stands out on a regular basis.
SHOW, I LOVE YOU!
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I was SO with you on the whole Sam deal thing. I was actually saying, "Sam?! Sam! SAMMMMMMM! Do you Winchesters learn NOTHING???? History--doomed to repeat it!" Yeah, I was pretty incoherent with the talking at Sam. And he wasn't listening. But then he was, so it was okay. ;-)
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I get being squicked by the Wincest lines, but I was already hyper-aware that J2 knew about it (Kim Manners used to print slash stories and leave them around for the boys to read). Both of them have even commented on it in cons - Jensen's reaction seems to be mainly ammusement, and Jared, I think, really likes that people are writing about him, regardless of subject matter.
And...come on, how many fandoms can actually say they have a canon example of their characters discovering fanfiction? Other fandoms would *KILL* for that level of acknowledgement of the fans. It's one of the reasons I think that, while other shows tend to start strong and decline in quality over time, Supernatural has done the opposite. We listen to them, they listen to us, we all get involved in letting Kripke know what we wanna see, and then sometimes he shows it to us! And then we grow together like a twisted, incestuous little family.
Okay, epic post done.
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It's written into our DNA.
OH SHOW, I LOVE YOU SO, NEVER GO, FOREVER BROS!! <3333
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You straight girls and your DNA ;)
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Because TPTB were worried it'd drive away all the fangirls?
Sam is so incredulous about the fiery demonic passion. Which, um, you were there when you shagged Ruby, right? Sam?
For me, that came across as part of the "Holy fudge, Chuck's gonna spill my secrets!"-fear. Just like the laugh a little bit earlier.
Surely, Dean, staying in the hotel room with your brother would be opposite of driving around in the impala. don't you think? gah.
Boy Logic is incomprehensible. But maybe he just didn't wanna stay around Sam, which... OWWWWWW. Boys. *wantses to fix 'em*
Though I am not all that keen on whatever Chuck has seen. He is not keen on it, and he likes Sam and Dean.
I LIKE SAM AND DEAN, TOO.
WORD.
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