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Think I might be done. Haven't canceled the recording on the DVR, but I am certainly not dying to see it ever again. Everything I didn't like about it seems to be being ramped up every week, and I can't actually remember, Amy Acker aside, that there was anything I did like about it. And she wasn't in it tonight. This probably would have made a good movie. But it is a crappy idea for a TV show, I think.

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I'm glad to hear someone else say that. I really wasn't sure about the entire thing after I read the description, but I figured I'd give it a shot. The jury was definitely still out after I finished the first episode, but I'm sticking with it for now, though, at this point, I don't see it being one of those shows I get all squee over. I guess I'm still waiting for Joss to pull the proverbial bunny out of his hat on this one.

I am generally pretty easy to please, but not always impressed by pilots. So I thought maybe I'd like the second one better. Not so much. Last week's was okay but then this weeks just irritated the hell out of me. I think life is too short.

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I keep waiting for it to get better. I'm kind of sad. The premise is good, but they keep TELLING you stuff instead of letting it be shown. It's like it is too low tech or something. For the premise I expected more from the actual hardware, but it's not there.

I didn't watch tonight's show, but I feel that the cop and the Alpha story are taking WAY TOO LONG to develop. I would like to see some more of that please.

So yeah, like you I'm not dying for more right now, but I'll probably give it a few more episodes for Joss to show me more stuff than he has. I'm kind of sad actually. I wanted this to be good. Although I wish he would quit putting Dushku in a tank top cause come ON. Enough of that.

Dushku has apparently said that the first seven eps are kind of crap and that after that is when it becomes the show Joss wanted to make.

So, I'm going to give it until, I guess, the 9th or 10th ep -- though I wouldn't encourage anyone else to do so, that's just me. I'm curious.

But not terribly hopeful.

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That is good to hear, though :( that it takes seven episodes to stop sucking. I am going to keep recording it, assuming some other thing I'm dying to watch doesn't start at 9 on Fridays, but I'm way behind on other things, and feel like I probably won't rush to watch it asap next week.

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I think partly I feel like how can they sustain the premise over many episodes? in order for them to move forward into someplace I am going to like and find the show interesting, they are going to have to make it a different show. And that doesn't seem like something that is going to happen on Fox (Prison Break aside) somehow. I think if it DOES get to be a show about taking down the dollhouse I probably would like it. But I am getting tired of waiting.

I will keep recording it, but I think I am not going to keep falling behind on other shows in order to keep watching this one. Only so many hours in the week.

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I've not seen last night's ep yet but I'm still in the "think I'm enjoying it" box at the moment. The second episode was so dark and fun but for my that didn't quite carry over to the third one. I'm going to stick with it for a while longer and keep hoping!

I pretty much hated the hunting episode, and while the singer episode was better in some ways, it was a lot more boring, too. i just can't stop thinking that if we could get what seems to be the bulk of the show out of the way in 25 minutes and then get to the potentially awesome bit for an hour and a half, I would be satisfied.

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the singer ep was so anvil, which annoyed me, but the payoff was the extremely feminist moment at the very end when Echo and Sierra established community under the noses of their watchdogs. so we know for sure that Echo is NOT the blank slate they think she is. I just wrote a lot more at my journal! cheers

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Haven't seen this weeks ep yet in fact was going to watch but then someone else on my flist was raving about it. Will get back to you, altho can't see it pulling anything magical our of its arse to grab me at this point. Its rare that i'm not a love at first sight gal.

that's me, too. Love at first sight. Or at least second. Still :\ on fourth sight? I feel like it's not going to happen.

I am left wondering where the layers are. Everyone in Buffy had conflicting motivations, different facets, reasons to do things that might otherwise be out of character. Same with Firefly. But in this there are a bunch of blank slates, a science geek who has been one-note evil genius for four weeks, a house leader woman who has been one-note motivated by cash, a sycophant assistant, also one-note, and a cop we rarely see.

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I totally won't try to change your mind, because people should watch what they like -- life is too short! but I did address the issue of the layered motivation of Boss Lady at least in my ep reviews -- if you wanna peep! :) And I think we've been given a lot that shows that Echo is NOT a blank slate like the Dollhouse folks think... cheers!

SAMMY IS IN A CAGE, CAUSE DEAN IS MAKING HIM WATCH DOLLHOUSE, CAUSE DEAN HAS A BIG CRUSH ON ELIZA

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Heh, I made a similar post last night. And--

Everything I didn't like about it seems to be being ramped up every week

Yes. THIS.

There is only so long I can wait for it to get better. And it seems to get worse instead. Just read your post. That made me super uncomfortable, too, I can only imagine the added layers of no you must have had. :(

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I haven't managed to watch ANY of it yet, but I keep thinking there's so much TV that I want to see, that I am just desperate to see almost....so why cram in one show that I can't get worked up about? If it turns AMAZING halfway through, I'll marathon it on DVD over the summer. If it never gets good, I saved myself 22 hours (or whatever) to do things I actually like.

/blahblahblah

That is how I am starting to feel. Life is too short. I'm like four weeks behind on Damages, which I was still really liking, yet I'm caught up on Dollhouse. Time to get my TV priorities in order. I will still tape it so I have it if people start giving it rave reviews, but i'm not going to feel like I must watch.

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ME, TOO. And it makes me want to cry. God. I love Joss. I LOVE Eliza. But this is just some ridiculous shit, and it's not worth waiting for whatever the big reveal may be.

That whole fake rape thing bugged the fuck out of me. I dunno.

The best thing about Dollhouse is, in my humble opinion, the Hulu commercial.

BUT THEN WHAT DO I WATCH ON FRIDAY? LMFAO. There's nothing good on TV. (I say this, which is funny, because I watch so much TV that I have to download certain shows since they've doubled them up on me, like House and Bones and and and I dunno.)

Ugh. I'm gonna keep watching Dollhouse, I think, because I'm hoping Amy Acker is in cahoots with the uh...wow, I forgot his name. The dude who's taking them all down. You know. The guy. Uh. Whatever.

Do you not watch Friday Night Lights on Friday? AMAZING SHOW. much much much better than almost everything else out there. And Sarah Connor Chronicles I love, too. But I can see that being less universal.

OMG I KNOW. The fake rape. I feel like there is some kind of Let's see how misogynistic (and no, I don't mean sexist) I can look and then I'll pull back and say, NOPE I'M NOT game going on. While there is a level at which that is interesting, it slides into "I hate you so much! Just kidding" "You're such a bitch. Just kidding" territory if you're not careful. And I don't really feel like there is enough careful going on. Mostly because things are moving too damn slow and there is a lot of back-sliding.

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I just realized that no one knows HOW MUCH I LOVE TSCC. I never talk about it, do I? Huh. Well, I FUCKING LOVE IT. Do you remember me rambling last year about this band I love that no one knows about? Enation? The drummer is married to that chick on One Tree Hill, that Galioti girl who plays Haley, and she did a cover of their song, "Feel This," and they had their name splashed on OTH or whatever.

ANYWAY, BABBLE.

I have LOVED that group forever, mainly because I LOVED their lead singer when he played Luke and Laura's son, "Lucky," on my soap opera (lol, shut up, yes, I watch soaps), General Hospital. Now, Enation is CHRISTIAN MUSIC, which...lmao, jelloh and god go together like oil and water, but I LOVE THEM.

AND THEIR LEAD SINGER, MR. JACKSON, PLAYS NONE OTHER THAN MR. CONNOR, HIMSELF, SARAH'S ONE TRUE LOVE.

I can't believe I haven't written tons about this, but...well. LOL.

Anyway, yes, I watch the show. I also just realized I never ramble about my other favorite thing on the planet, 30 Seconds to Mars. Huh. I kinda love them a lot more than Supernatural and Jared Padalecki. WHY DON'T I EVER BABBLE ABOUT THEM? HMM.

Anyway, where was I.

Yes, I like. No, I don't like Friday Night Lights. Never got into it, not my cuppatea, lol. I'll probably try it when it's over, much like I'm doing with Rome.

JESUS CHRIST, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ROME? WHY ONLY TWO SEASONS? Why did I have to get into it NOW? I have slashhappiness because of Rome, and, ya know, too late. Ugh.

I feel like there is some kind of Let's see how misogynistic (and no, I don't mean sexist) I can look and then I'll pull back and say, NOPE I'M NOT

I watched her come out of that room, and say, "They hurt me," and (I'd had a stomach virus all day which had finally calmed down) felt the bile rising back up. All I could think was WHAT THE FUCK, JOSS, WTF. And then we were supposed to just go, "Oh, HAHAHA, IT WAS JUST A LITTLE JOKEY-JOKE! I GET IT! SHE'S REALLY THE BAD ASS BITCH IN CHARGE! OH! HA!"

Yeah, no.

I dunno. You know what I think? I think Joss made a promise to Eliza, and ended up trying too hard. Does that make sense?

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Rather than edit...I just re-read it and realized that, A. I don't want to picture God and Jell-O being all slippery and gross together, and B. I didn't explain why I love the whole Terminator series. I just babbled about Jonathan Jackson, LMFAO.

Anyway. Yeah. I love the entire series, including the shitty Clare Danes movie.

edited.

Lol. Up there, I wrote "Mr. Connor." Ya know. Instead of Reese. LMFAO LMAO. I have to go and have more coffee. LOL.

Edited Date: 2009-03-07 05:28 pm (UTC)

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ILU OMG. *covers you in kisses*

SCC is so so awesome. I have SUCH A THING for time travel. and I have loved Terminator since I first saw the first one at my BFF's house after school one day when I was sixteen years old. (I wasn't allowed to watch violent movies when I was growing up, so missed it when it came out) I loved T2. I even liked T3 a lot, though I wasn't gutted or anything when TSCC came along and pretended like that never happened. I am excited for the Christian Bale one coming out. I LOVE IT ALL.

I have Rome on my netflix list. It will come up when I've caught up with either numbers or brothers and sisters. I can't do too many shows at once. I get all confused.

I just wish Joss had promised Eliza he'd give her the lead role in the kick-ass movie he was writing.

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Ok. So. HAI ILU TOO AND MORE.

Um. I have this thing where I kinda hate Christian Bale. I don't KNOW WHY. I think that he mostly can't act, but he was able to act once or twice? So I'm HOPING he doesn't fuck up what we've been waiting for FOREVER? Newsies and American Psycho, he was AWESOME. Everything else? HE MAKES ME FALL ASLEEP.

But I'm still freaking excited about the new flick, so he'd better be brilliant.

YES, TIME TRAVEL. You know that thing where everyone is writing a book? You know. Everyone tries writing a book, lol. My book (which I started when I was 13, LMAO, and has been re-written a dozen times and which will eventually be thrown out, because it's terrifically bad) is all about time traveling Fae and uh...vampires and soul mates. I LOVE time travel, too, and lord, how many hours I've spent thinking about paradoxes and the what-ifs and just...yeah. Yessum.

(I think it's nice that you weren't allowed to watch violent flicks.)

Brothers & Sisters.

Lord.

Did you catch up, yet? WHERE ARE YOU WITH THAT? I have so much to say about that show and that Getty boy.

Joss and Eliza make me think of...well. Ok. I think Eliza is probably a DARLING little thing. She's the girl that everyone loves, right? The one that the big men want to protect and love, the one that makes straight girls think twice. I think Joss just LOVES THAT GIRL and would never in a million years want to hurt her. So he gives her the lead in the kinda-iffy show, because it's not his baby, it's not his passion, but she doesn't have to know that. And he takes his baby, his passion, and...he finds himself a REAL actress.

Mean, I know, but that's how I see them. She's like the Annie to his Daddy Warbucks, and he's gonna take care of his girl, sure, but he's not about to put her in the lead, no, he's gonna give her Eponine, and save Christine for someone else, and yes, I went from Annie to Les Miz to Phantom, forgive me. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, RIGHT?

Lord almighty, I'm hyper. :D

Is Numbers any good? I've put it on once or twice, but it just bores me to tears. I can't get into it at ALL.

Go watch Rome now. Immediately. Fuck life, you need Rome. I NEED SOMEONE TO SQUEE WITH.

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Brothers and Sisters. I am... um... Balthazar and his lady just found out they are going to have twins. And the little one is getting okay with going back to the army and became friends with the half sister. And Calista is shagging her Senator. And Sarah told her hubby that she almost cheated. I have NO IDEA why I love Balthazar Getty so much. BUT I DO. I went crazy when he came to Alias, and I still have no idea where I even KNEW him from before that.

OMG NUMB3RS. I cannot stop. Now that I've gotten to the seasons you can watch on demand through Netflix, I sometimes watch four eps a day four days in a row. I have a HUGE thing for David Krumholtz, and for nerds, and I love Northern Exposure guy and also the dad. And crazy love for Fleinheart, and OMG THERE IS NOTHING I DO NOT LOVE. Though I am sad that Amy De Luca isn't on it anymore. because I loved her SO MUCH AND SHE REMINDED ME OF ROSWELL AND MY BELOVED MAJANDRA.

I remember seeing Eliza get Punkt (the only ep of that show I ever saw) and she was almost in tears because she was accused of shoplifting, and she had a sense of humour about it at the end, but I have WANTED TO PUNCH Ashton Kutcher ever since. I hate that he is doing ads now because I can't avoid him.

You've made me hyper now too. :D

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Young Guns. You love him from Young Guns and he stayed in your mind as this little precious thing. That's why you love Balty. Or maybe from Charmed. LOL. Or maybe that's just why I loved him.

You're really behind. You're never going to catch up. Good lord. WHY DON'T I REMEMBER HIM ON ALIAS? WTF? I love Alias, though I've still never seen about 10 episodes because I was living in Puerto Rico when I got hooked on reruns on TNT and then TNT stopped showing it and so I've never completely caught up but JESUS CHRIST JENNIFER GARNER IS PERFECTION. Or, well, until that RUINER of women got his paws on her. Now she's all afflecked. Ugh.

OMG NUMB3RS. I cannot stop. Now that I've gotten to the seasons you can watch on demand through Netflix, I sometimes watch four eps a day four days in a row. I have a HUGE thing for David Krumholtz, and for nerds, and I love Northern Exposure guy and also the dad. And crazy love for Fleinheart, and OMG THERE IS NOTHING I DO NOT LOVE. Though I am sad that Amy De Luca isn't on it anymore. because I loved her SO MUCH AND SHE REMINDED ME OF ROSWELL AND MY BELOVED MAJANDRA.

I don't know what ANY OF THAT MEANS EXCEPT THAT I JUST SAW MAJANDRA DELFINO'S GORGEOUS NAME AND SO NOW I WANT TO GO REWATCH ROSWELL and why don't I own Roswell? Wth? WHY DON'T I HAVE ROSWELL ON DVD? OR ANYWHERE. Must go hunt down illegal downloads.

Amy De Luca. DE LUCA. CUZ MARIA'S LAST NAME. WHO IS AMY DE LUCA. *googles* HER MOTHER LMFAO omg it's been too long since I've watched Roswell. I think the ending just irritated me, so I only watch it now when Sci-Fi occasionally shows it, every few years.

I love Ashton Kutcher and have no idea why. Probably because, for some really retarded reason, The Butterfly Effect owns my soul and I keep thinking about the alternate ending and what the character did and I somehow link HIM to that CHARACTER and I end up loving him SO MUCH EVEN THOUGH MY GOD, HE'S A TOOL.

Speaking of Punk'd...that's part of the reason I will forever feel JUST FINE with my hatred of Jessica Alba. I hate her for no good reasons, but whenever I think of what a cunt she was on Punk'd, lol, I FEEL JUSTIFIED. (And I don't remember him punking Eliza. I think I won't watch that one, cuz I like liking him, lmao. Poor girl.)

:D I LIKE YOU WHEN YOU'RE HYPER. *BITES YOUR CHIN*

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YOUNG GUNS! OMG I LOVE THAT MOVIE AND HAVENT' SEEN IT IN YEARS AND YEARS!

I never have seen even one episode of charmed. so not from that, I think. He was in the last crazy season of Alias. Jennifer. OMG SHE IS A GODDESS. Though yeah. Did she have to marry Ben? Really?

Maria's mother! with the crazy insane UFO paraphernalia business! I have all three seasons on DVD. Not that I can ever imagine watching S3 again. Jesus wept. WHAT DRUGS WERE THEY ON?

I never saw Butterfly Effect because I want to kill him and will not watch anything he's on. Maybe I should get over that? WHO CAN TELL.

Majandra/Maria. TOO MUCH LOVE IN THIS WORLD. I want an icon. Damn. I might have to get my DVDs out and do some capping. *uses Chloe icon cos I love her too, though not as much*

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Oh, it feels so fine to be in good company. Yep, it's not moving me in any positive way. We turned it on for the beginning and switched after two minutes. 120 seconds. Not kidding.

It's certainly not worth missing Rachel for.

It did redeem itself for what was making me want to kill it after two minutes, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm lucky though, because I get Rachel at 6pm and then again at 8pm (and then at 10pm too, I think) so I can watch her and prime time TV both.

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I really like it. And I trust Joss. The first season of Buffy wasn't all that great, either, but he had an idea and he worked it out and it turned out pretty amazing. Granted, Firefly was amazing and complete from the first moment, but maybe we got spoiled with it. I trust Whedon, and I see already the multi-layered, interwoven threading that he likes to do for his stories.

I think part of the problem for some new viewers is that they watch SCC right before, and that has gotten so good (*SO GOOD*) lately that it's hard to come from that and into Dollhouse, which still doesn't have its legs under it yet. But SCC wasn't exactly amazing its first nine eps, either.

Besides those things, though, I'm not sure what it was that you disliked, since you're being spoiler-careful here. I really, really like the concept, the discussion of identity, the idea of it, and I'm giving him a lot of rope; I don't think he'll hang himself. Strong women and identity? Totally Whedon's bag.

But that's just me. I'm a Whedon girl to the core and always will be. :-)

Last night I went from hoping it would improve to actively hating it. I loved Buffy from the first frame, and in fact loved S1 so much that I often watched it as it aired and then watched it on tape later in the week because I couldn't wait for the next episode. I watched all 13 episodes of Firefly in one sitting and then watched 10 of them again a few days later. I actually totally loved SCC from the start, too.

I don't know if I am letting the things that offend and make me sick cause me to miss other stuff that is there, but I am not seeing layering. Or many characters that hit more than one irritating note. I'm not even seeing a discussion, really. I feel like there is the potential for discussion, but I am still waiting for it to happen.

I love Joss. I do. But I am not seeing how this is going to work as a TV show. In order to keep the formula of the show, it seems like they have to not do any of the plot-advancing things that would make it a show I want to watch. I find things like the fake rape at the beginning of this week's episode and the way Echo was treated after she lost Taffy disturbing, and I feel like we are getting WAY WAY WAY too much of Topher's and whatever the head woman's name is opinions to the point that it feels like that is the show's paradigm rather than that this is a BAD thing they are doing. It is really starting to leave a rotten taste in my mouth. Like when your best friend's boyfriend runs her down constantly and she can't even see that she's not the bubbly confident person she used to be.

I'm not saying I don't bring some of my own issues to the table with this, but it is agitating me. Unlike SCC which is freaking AMAZING. Jesus.

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I'm kind of undecided. So far it's not making me happy, but I don't hate it. :\

That is how I was feeling after last week. After this week, I'm starting to bring hate to the table. Any other show, I'd just give it up no worries. But I have higher hopes because it's Joss.

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