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Oooh, lots of old stuff in the then. Tiny Sammy and baby Sammy.
What is a reverse cowgirl? And why are they being such cowbags? I really hate TV/Film high school cheerleaders. They are mean.
OMG WTF? Ok, that scared me. I was expecting the not!ugly girl to do something, but it wasn't bash other girl's head into the mirror. Ah demonesque. Though that was more X-files than SPN to me as far as effects went.
Oh, Sammy. Your little face when she asks if you're crazy. And I'm sorry. You don't look like an orderly, you look like a Good Humour Man. Let's film you from the neck up until you change. Okay? Dean is looking VERY PRETTY AND FRECKLED THOUGH.
OMG HIGH SCHOOL INFORMATION. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE. MY HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!
This Dean is not a very good Dean. But Colin is eternally awesome. And adorable. So adorable. and YAY AGAINST BULLY. I love little glasses boy. He totally wants to be Sam's BFF. I'm not buying this younger Dean saying, "sugar". he just sounds retarded. Not remotely seductive. I get that he's probably supposed to sound teenaged, and Dean is a little dorky with his lines anyway, but still.
OH HOLY FUCK. DEAN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WEARING???????????? *dies* Janitor Sam looks much better than Orderly Sam.
Um, that is the food processor that my mother has. and you cannot turn it on without like seven pieces of lid all lined up together. Just saying.
Ectoplasm is black now? Was it before? I get my canons confused. :( I'm guessing Sammy was not effective enough in his anti-bullying brigade.
My HEART! Little Sam is made of win.
Magic Fingers FTW. But poor Dean expected to have chickflick moments.
OH SHIT, YOU DO NOT PUNCH SAMMY. YOU. DO. NOT. DO. THAT.
We're burning the grave awfully early this episode. This scares me more than it should, possibly.
Sam, you didn't turn in a non-fiction paper about killing a werewolf. Oh, honey. And Eric, you're mary-suing Sam something awful here. Can't pursue writing because you have to go into the family business. *loves* I am really adoring all these looks at the boys' childhood here. And I am INCREDIBLY impressed with Colin's acting. He seems to really get not only what he's doing now, but where it's going to lead. And how Jared is going to be Sam. I'm so glad they found him!
And again. Dean, if you know Dean Poet's Society, you should know Snow White. I'm just saying. And Heathers?
Did Dean just give Sam a 40?
God. that's pretty. Car, Bridge, Boys.
Baby Sam fighting should NOT be making me this happy. It should not.
Sam's face when Dirk Sr. is telling his story. It's breaking my heart!
Dean, you are catching the FAILBOAT with the subtlety here.
As is show. what with the ectoplasm leaking out of his nose while he's still possessed. Dean, you're all magically tying with the salt rope. Salt rope is stretching it a little for me.
Sam's voice break when he says he's not evil kills me. This is SUCH a great Sam episode. Though honestly. A guy who can bench 335 pounds, is not going to be crushed by a hs student. Even a football player-sized one.
Dean is such a player. oh, Amanda, Dean isn't the way he is with his brother with anyone else.
awwww, the man Sam went to college because of! I'm glad we got to meet him. *draws hearts* Sam's little speech is so halting and adorable. And his face when he can't answer the happy question!
How Sad that this episode is in memory of two people, and neither of them is Kim. That's a lot of death.
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I'm not buying this younger Dean saying, "sugar". he just sounds retarded. Not remotely seductive. I get that he's probably supposed to sound teenaged, and Dean is a little dorky with his lines anyway, but still.
HOLY SHIT, NO DOUBT. Ugh... not sexy, not funny, not charismatic. It was awkward as hell and yeah, okay, so maybe that's the way they were trying to go with it, but then they beat us over the head with the whole "don't you miss your dad" set-up. A little annoying.
But Sam... I loved this episode from the sheer volume of Sam. The look on his little face right before he goes to fucking TOWN. Beautiful. Fierce. Like... certain. There's a certainty in his eyes. It was truly something. <3
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I don't like that I used the word 'retarded' in that context. it's something i don't usually do. But it did just feel really off and wrong. And I think maybe disrespectful. And I've always had the feeling that Dean has a certain kind of twisted respect for women, that maybe doesn't look the same as what lots of people would term respect, but it's there none-the-less. This Brock guy didn't manage that at all.
Sam though. OH SAM. Colin Ford is amazing. And I can totally see why they kept him, though he really does look 12 and not 14 at all. Because he just HAS Sammy DOWN. He's this tiny little speck of a thing, and yet catches Jared's mannerisms brilliantly, and he really really seems to get who Sam is as a kid and how that relates to who he becomes. I could not think more highly of him.
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OMG, yes, I love that kid. Loved him in AVSNC and in this. And yes on hating this version of Dean. Very poor casting. Although his voice did sound a bit like season 1 Dean. But, just...no. And the "sugar" part was not well-written or well-delivered.
Salt rope is stretching it a little for me.
Sam's voice break when he says he's not evil kills me. This is SUCH a great Sam episode. Though honestly. A guy who can bench 335 pounds, is not going to be crushed by a hs student. Even a football player-sized one.
WORD TO YOUR MOTHER.
Did Dean just give Sam a 40?
That's what I thought, too. But????
God. that's pretty. Car, Bridge, Boys.
Amen, sister. *raises hands, dances in the aisles*
Sweet, sweet Sammy, all the way through. I kept thinking, "I hope Jensen got a couple of days off out of this."
I do think Orderly Sam is smokin' hot, though. Just sayin.'
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Young Dean did have the cheekbones, though his eyes were way too brown.
Colin Ford though. I cannot say enough about how amazing he is.
as far as I can tell, I am the only one who didn't like orderly Sam. I think the thing is that I really hate white guys wearing white. I'm not a big fan of anyone wearing all white, either. Scrubs should be blue. Or another colour that isn't white. His janitor's uniform though? HOLY FUCK.
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Ah, good point. *nods sagely*
And see, the janitor thing didn't really do it for me, but I gotta go with you on the scrubs. I work in a friggin' hospital--have for over 20 years--and I don't think I've ever seen a set of white scrubs. But then it isn't a mental institution. Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
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BUT! I did like it and OH MAN. Saaaaaaaaaaaaam. Colin was fantastic!
and as much as looking at him gives me GUILT beyond belief...fic, waaant!Though honestly. A guy who can bench 335 pounds, is not going to be crushed by a hs student. WORD.
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THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT THIS EPISODE THAT I DID NOT LOVE THE HELL OUT OF. A++
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I almost cried with how much I loved this episode. IT WAS AMAZING.
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NSFW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_on_top_(sex_position)
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I'm the same age as Dean- off by 4 months. When I was a kid, early on, VCR's were VERY expensive. Both sets of my grandparents had to go in together to buy my family one in, oh, 1984 or so.
At the time, Disney had released a few movies on VHS but Snow White was NOT one of them for a very long time. They released that in theaters every few years and made a big deal about it- a see it now, before its gone! kind of thing. Anyway, when it would come to theaters, my grandmother would always make a big deal about it and take all the grandkids out to lunch, then the movie.
I was going to the theater from a very young age and the first time I can remember seeing Snow White was when I was six or seven, which would make that 1985-86.
What that tells me is that if it came out before then, I would have been too young for that movie. It's scary, let's be honest, esp. if you're really little. I assume that Mary and John would have felt the same way with Dean. After Mary died and John started his quest, I'm sure that he didn't take the kids to movies. My impression is that everything they've seen is from the TV's in hotel rooms or after they were old enough to take themselves to the theater.
My guess is that by the time Snow White was released on VHS- and that one took a LONG damn time- or was run as a Sunday Night movie on ABC, Dean would no longer have been interested. He missed his chance, if you will.
In terms of Dead Poet's Society- they used to run that movie ALL THE TIME so I'm not surprised that he saw that one and not the Disney flick. Heathers was one of the movies that my older sisters used to watch when their friends came over, as well as The Lost Boys and Backdraft, so I'm not shocked that he knows that one either.
I did ADORE his 21 Jumpsteet comment. Heh- he WISHES he was Johnny Depp on that show!
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I'm totally not surprised that he knows all the other things he does. Dean watches a LOT of TV, I'm guessing. But I do have a hard time buying that he never came across fairy tales in any of the research that he must have had to do while Sam was gone, if not earlier. I don't know. I guess it just bugs me, too, when Dean is made out to be dim. Because he's not.
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I actually liked young!Dean. Great bone structure, lovely eyes...okay, his voice was off, but I thought the young!John pretty boy was even worse---much as he looked like JDM, his voice killed the illusion---he really needed to butch up.
The "21 Jump Street" line was love!
The ending really drove home last week's theme of Sam being miserable. Kind of hard to miss, though, after the previews spelled it all out for us. Oh, wait, I forgot---our audience share is increasing, they haven't all been around as long as we have. (God, I'm such a bitch. Thank heaven I'm not in high school!)
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I think they might lose 90% of the audience if they put Dean in Speedos, through spontaneous combustion! Though they almost lost me to hysterical laughter with the gym shorts (the headband was what killed me)
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And, when Amanda said, "the way you are with your brother"? DID YOUR MIND SLASH ITSELF?!
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And isn't THAT the very definition of understatement!! :DDD
(Salt rope? Yeah. My eyes rolled.)
OH SHOW! HOW I LOVE THEE!!!!
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Now, maybe my perspective is informed by the fact that I teach at an all-boys school and I can name three guys off the top of my head who are just like young Dean. I recognize that they have damage underneath, as young Dean does here. I'm just noting that they act kinda like douchebags sometimes. And their respect for women is not especially high.
ETA: It's probably worth noting that my entire perspective on this episode is skewed not only because of my profession but because of my own truly crappy high school experience.
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1) That Guy in my high school (the main one, anyway), broken and damaged an inappropriate as he was, was utterly charming. Even at 12/13, he was completely charming teachers and students alike. And this is a guy who, when we were making out and he was trying to convince me to have sex with him (at 14), said "It's okay, I model, I can afford an abortion." Now. this was not convincing. But it was still, with his delivery, something that made me smile wryly and shake my head rather than cringe. And Dean has always struck me as more that That Guy.
2) In his own twisted way, I've always felt Dean had a kind of respect for women even through his scorn for everything and while his lines come from a penthouse playbook sometimes, and women are a means of getting his wick wet, he doesn't seem to have the saint/whore thing that he could.
3) Brock is patently 23 years old. Which is close enough to S1 Dean in age that my brain automatically expected that level of
maturitywhateverness from him.4) I couldn't help compare his performance with not only Jensen's but Colin's, and frankly, I don't know that many people would have a chance of living up.
Boy did he have the cheekbones going on though!
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SHOOOOOOOW!!!!! ♥♥♥
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I liked this episode a lot whenever Sam was on screen, hated it when Dean was. Adult Dean was cruel to the kids and basically annoyed me with his whiny “you got to be the hero here, Sam,” sulking at the end. Teen Dean was an awful actor. 23 years old, and 12-year-old Colin was acting rings around him in every scene. It felt like no one had really talked with Brock about Dean’s character, and instead of going for insight into Dean, Brock watched a few episodes and did a bad Jensen Ackles impression. The writing for Dean’s B-plot was less than stellar too. That “I’m a hero” scene might have resonated stronger if he hadn’t just been caught cheating on his girlfriend.
Now for the good: Little Sam was AWESOME! I love that he seemed like a quiet, shy kid until the bully challenged him. And I like that he took down Dirk, and don’t think he should have felt at all guilty years later to hear of his death. Sam was fully in the right to take him out. The final scene between Sam and his teacher was great, too. Even though Sam did end up doing what he didn’t necessarily want to do, I liked that he thanked the teacher for taking an interest.
All in all, good but flawed. And any episode that includes one of the guys taking a nut shot gets an extra point. But WTF no Kim dedication!?!!
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As for the Kim thing, I expect this was already in the can by the time he'd died, and we'll be getting that next week. And possibly the two dedications it did have were more relevant to the show itself? I don't know.
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sadly I felt the need to crop out Brock Kelly, tho based on his headshot on imdb I can see why they called him in -- he used to look a lot more like young Dean than he does now....
still, to give the guy some credit, it must have been a very difficult acting role. This is the time in his life when Dean must certainly have been the least likeable --- he's already dedicated himself to the hunt, so he's not bothering to care about anything else, just kind of pointlessly wasting his time filling a chair in hs and serving as a guardian for Sam.... the one scene where you can really see Dean is when he's in the field with Sam -- he does a pretty good job being the Dean we know there.... but with every one else, he's just kind of obnoxious, living a sham life of sexy surface and flipping to the next girl the minute Amanda wants to get a little deeper into his life. I think we're seeing the seeds here of Dean's habit of lying to women, to make it easier for him to be on a shallow page that the woman can tacitly acknowledge. Also, Dean is telling himself that his relatively new role as a Hero justifies how shallow and jerky he is acting -- and he doesn't really buy it --- but he can't figure out how to care when he knows he's going to be moving on sometime very soon -- if John had come back as planned, he would have been a pleasant memory in Amanda's past instead of someone who couldn't take it to the next level.
But yeah, I think Dean was a bit beyond Brock's capabilities, esp. since Colin has Sam DOWN.
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I am totally going to do some icons in a bit. I've got my caps and I'm ready to go :D
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LMAO!
OH HOLY FUCK. DEAN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WEARING???????????? *dies* Janitor Sam looks much better than Orderly Sam.
*dies* right along with you and ITA...
Sam is so wonderful in this episode. Both Jared and Colin Ford did such a fantastic job! *cheers them* I thought it was too bad that they needed Dean to be so much older in this ep and they couldn't use Ridge Canipe for this one. I thought he was so good in his episodes from previous seasons, especially "A Very Supernatural Christmas." While I don't think Brock Kelly did a bad job, and he does look like a younger Dean, I thought Ridge was better, and better at the nuances of Dean in his portrayal than Brock was.
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We've seen it only once before, imo, in No Exit (2x06) and yes, it was black goop back then, too. :)
oh, Amanda, Dean isn't the way he is with his brother with anyone else.
No, he's not. Because no high school sweetheart of the week could ever compete with Sam.
I see someone clued you in on the whole cowgirl thing already. :)
As for myself, I loved this ep. Partially because I was annoyed as hell before I sat down to watch Supernatural, partially because hey, anything with insights into the boys' childhoods, teens is bound to be at least entertaining.
Combined with last week's ep, the Show's really selling itself to me. :)
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I thought this episode was amazing. I love anything with back story, and I love Colin, and I love the boys being dorky, and so it was total win.