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posted by [personal profile] rivers_bend at 10:24am on 03/03/2013 under , ,
a conversation about re-reading books on twitter this morning made me think about books I have re-read. One that contends for top spot (with Tabitha King's One on One and Anne McCaffrey's The White Dragon) is A Town Like Alice by Nevil Shute. It is not unproblematic, but my biggest narrative kink is society creation (see also the Pern books), and for that it is brilliant.

It was written in the 1950s. This is the source of much that makes me cringe, including the line about Jean (the main character) avoiding a fate worse than death. A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH. Already in the story, she has been a prisoner of war and as such has been marched hundreds of miles over the course of months watching her friends die around her, has been hit, starved, threatened... She's lived through hell, basically. But this fate she avoids, this terrible fate to which dying is preferable, is having sex with a man she's in love with, who loves her back, whom she's travelled across the world to find, and whom she plans on marrying. Yes, better that she should DIE than make love before saying "I do". (not even fuck. these characters are total MFEO OTP characters.)

and then I look at my tumblr dash, and all the girls and women delightedly objectifying men, and wanting to get all up on their junk, and playing fold-of-cloth or peen, and making grabby hands at boobs, and shouting NOW KISS at Kristen Stewart and Jennifer Lawrence, and having no kind of shame about sexuality at all. I can't think that a single one of them would think death preferable to sex, no matter how they cry about drinking bleach and lying down in traffic because someone is too sexy for their shirt. #datingmyselfwithlyrics

And I think, YAY, HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

and then I look at the politicians and the laws they are making/trying to make about women's bodies. And some of them were alive in the 50s, and that fate-worse-than-death thing is a real life cultural reference for them, and the rest of them were raised by people who grew up then, and clearly didn't move with the times. But can we move with the times now? Can we do that? Because this whole thing were women can and do watch porn and get off to it, and talk about their desires, and take control of their own sexual experiences is REALLY AWESOME.
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posted by [personal profile] onyxlynx at 10:05pm on 03/03/2013
Because this whole thing were women can and do watch porn and get off to it, and talk about their desires, and take control of their own sexual experiences is REALLY AWESOME.

And it scares the life out of those politicians and a lot of their constituents.

I really wish they'd establish an enclave for themselves and seal it off, but they seem to think everyone should follow their rules.
Edited (punctuation correction.) Date: 2013-03-03 10:06 pm (UTC)
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posted by [personal profile] rivers_bend at 11:38pm on 03/03/2013
if we could jettison them and they could live in space, that would be good, except for how I want it to be ME who gets to live in space, so... :)
 
posted by [identity profile] mnkyjnkieang.livejournal.com at 08:22pm on 03/03/2013
I really, really like this post. What you said about tumblr - yes, yes, YES! I know those lyrics too. I think I have the video on VHS somewhere /o\

Then the politics - no, no, NO! How are their heads still stuck in the sand? I often wonder if they think they are trying to "protect women" and if so, how are they so misguided? On the other hand, the idea that women need protecting is so misogynistic. Society should be matriarchal!
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 11:36pm on 03/03/2013
I just do not understand the 'conservative' movement in this country. I am quite sure they think they are protecting women, though they are blatantly only trying to protect their own interests. uGH.

tumblr gives me hope (even while it makes me despair at times)
 
posted by [identity profile] brooklinegirl.livejournal.com at 10:14pm on 03/03/2013
I was JUST thinking yesterday how I want to re-read the Pern series (not the whole, loooong thing, but at least the first three!). It's been YEARS.

and Neville Shute! I read On the Beach by him a million years ago, but not this one. Now I want to seek it out!
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 10:53pm on 03/03/2013
I always end up reading all the weyrs and white dragon the most. I started with the menolly ones and it was years before I even knew there were more, and I devoured them over five lonnnnng weeks of spring break in the heart of wales. It's been four or five years since I read them though.

Oh man. I remember so clearly finding on the beach in the library and falling upon it, because at that time there was nothing I loved more than Alice, and it was sooooo disappointing. That was my first experience with same authors not being the same story, as I was mostly reading nancy drew, encyclopedia brown, and little house books at that point. :)

I am now super curious if a town like Alice is something you can read for the first time in 2013 :D
 
posted by [identity profile] brooklinegirl.livejournal.com at 12:39am on 04/03/2013
now I'm fascinated to read Alice! Just to see!
 
posted by [identity profile] no-detective.livejournal.com at 11:09pm on 03/03/2013
I love this post. <3
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 11:37pm on 03/03/2013
:D :D

If only fangirls ruled the world!
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posted by [personal profile] desertport at 12:30am on 04/03/2013
It is so freaking awesome. I'm just sad that for me, it took finding this corner of fandom to finally encounter and embrace my sexuality, and to be able to talk about it and live it and take joy in it. What if I had been busy with something else instead of getting into fandom in 2004? Who would I be right now? Probably a lot more repressed, conventional, and serious. Not a fun thought.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 05:56am on 04/03/2013
I cannot even contemplate where I would be right now if I hadn't found fandom. I'd be okay as far as my sexuality goes, but I'm not sure I'd have the self esteem to even talk to anyone, much less be out there in the world. Fandom has done great things! <3
 
posted by [identity profile] runedgirl.livejournal.com at 12:44am on 04/03/2013
The power of Fandom :)
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 05:57am on 04/03/2013
Indeed! Magical place :D

<333
 
posted by [identity profile] lmichelle599.livejournal.com at 12:46am on 04/03/2013

Don't get me started on Republicans and the conservative agenda. *groan* If they're not villifying women, then it's gays and lesbians. For all the support of same sex marriage, I'll still read things like someone doesn't understand why people choose to be gay or those signs stating marriage = one man and one woman. Ugh.

How can the world be so good and so fucked up at the same time?
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 05:58am on 04/03/2013
beyond infuriating. things are definitely getting better, but backlash is AWFUL.
 
posted by [identity profile] silsbee329.livejournal.com at 01:18am on 04/03/2013
You said it all.
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 05:58am on 04/03/2013
<333333
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posted by [identity profile] andlightplay.livejournal.com at 12:29pm on 04/03/2013
Fandom's ease with expressing desire and stuff is kind of my favourite part, and I think it had a huge, if mostly unconscious, impact on me when I found it as a teen. &fandom;

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, PERN QUESTION: I'm curious, why is The White Dragon your favourite? Is it just Ruth and his awesomeness? Is is the way that book is kind of the anchorstone of the entire Pern series' storyarc? TELL ME YOUR PERN FEELS PLZ. (my fave is Moreta, just...if you wanna know :D)
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:07pm on 04/03/2013
RUTH RUTH RUTH. My second fave is All the Weyrs of Pern, for the same reason. Ruth just does not give a single fuck about how he's supposed~ to act. He is just himself. *____* also, he ALWAYS KNOWS WHERE HE IS IN TIME. TIIIIIIIMMMMMMEEEEE. alksdjfhlaksdjfh RUUUUUUTH.

I also love Moreta though. For several years when I was living in England and finding everything too much, I'd read just the part where they go to harvest the needle thorns, and imagine that I could go out of time to someplace like that.

ugh this post is making me want to re-read pern books :D
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posted by [identity profile] andlightplay.livejournal.com at 03:11pm on 04/03/2013
RUUUUUUTH. I know some of the fandom think he's like, the Mary-Sue of dragons because of all his ~special abilities~, but as Jaxom keeps saying, if Ruth didn't have them who knows what the fuck would've happened with the fallout from the egg being stolen and stuff. Is it ATWoP where Jaxom foils a murder plot in the middle of the night (while naked) and Ruth sticks his head in through the window to make sure he's okay? BEST. Also, is it Ruth who pops up in Jaxom's head while he's gettin' busy with some lady and is all oh hey that feels super awesome! and Jaxom's like .../o\?

UGH PEEEERN MY FIRST LOVE. My mum got me Dragonflight out the library when I was 10 because she thought I'd like it, and the rest is history. The main thing I get out of Game Of Thrones is the hope that if they can do Dany's dragons so awesomely then there's still hope for a Pern TV show/movie at some point in the future. (and yet I don't want them to do that because ugh the leaked script and ugh they'll ruuuuuin itttt)
 
posted by [identity profile] mistyzeo.livejournal.com at 01:07pm on 04/03/2013
I agree with your brain!
 
posted by [identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com at 02:07pm on 04/03/2013
:D :D

<3
 
posted by [identity profile] cee-m.livejournal.com at 06:50pm on 05/03/2013
I really really love your brain sometimes. :) I also love kind of growing up over the last ten years in fandom feeling like I could talk about the things I find sexy, the things I want to read/experience, and the like. I can't help but feel insane amounts of gratitude to those men and women who went on that journey with me and showed me how not alone I was.

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